Posted on 09/10/2009 9:42:35 PM PDT by moonpie57
I just talked to Orly:
She has 2 good news items that she is very busy with right now:
1. Judge Carter is ‘giving her expedited discovery - immediately’.
2. Judge Land will allow her to present before the court in GA. She is leaving now to fly to GA to appear before Judge Land at the Federal Building in Columbus, GA at 2:00 pm tomorrow (Friday, 9/11/09).
She would like as many military supporters to be there as possible. I called Carl Swensson (RiseUpForAmerica.com), and he will see what he can do. If you have any contacts there, please advise them.
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There was two documents signed by Pelosi. But the real problem is she sent the non constitutional to all states declaring obama qualified. She never sent the one that was suppose to be sent like with McCain et al.
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I believe they are Army attorneys - NOT DOJ like in CA.
Don’t know that Obama can muscle into that prosocution.
I think Judge Carter figured out how to catch Obombo flatfooted.
Strange, huh?
The Theory is Now a Conspiracy And Facts Don’t Lie
The document is signed by Chair of the DNC Convention and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, DNC Secretary Alice Travis Germond and Colorado Notary of Public Shalifa A. Williamson. It is dated August 28, 2008.
However, this document was never delivered to a single state DNC Office for state certification, and it was therefore, never presented to any state Election Commission as certification of these candidates, although I do have a copy of this notarized document myself.
Obama is NOT a constitutional president & every anti-American policy of the last 6 months is also,BINGO,Unconstitutional!
No, all the liar has to do is state again the story about ‘the little house fire which he claimed burned it, but the fire wasn’t big enough to call the fire dept.’
“I don’t think Discovery is the danger that everyone else thinks it is.”
Oh yes it is! The BC is obvious but there are plenty of other documents that might indicate if he professed to be something that he wasn’t in order to gain advantage - foreign born for college admission purposes for example.
I don’t think anyone cares about Biden, Pelosi or Hillary in terms of removal. They are Americans and NBC.
No matter that we couldn’t diagree more on issues but they are not the crux of the issue and won’t be after this is resolved.
Not unless the courts want to change law for everyone else to only have to present the COLB for school enrollment, drivers license, passports and federal positions. They are not going to do that. Or maybe they would since Obama want muslims to move here freely.
The COLB was never accepted for my children in California for DL or passports. And no copies allowed.
I don’t give a Sheet.
Juan McCain is not NBC either and Senate resolution is going to change that. Besides, their resolutions do not carry weight of law.
This discovery has to do with the military and I think like you it will be more important than us simple serfs who have no standing.
Where Comrade Obama was born is only half of the issue.
If as Comrade Obama Jr claims his dad was Barak Hussein Obama Sr, of Kenya,
than it's not possible for Junior to be a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.
At the time of the drafting and ratification of the United States constitution,
the definition of natural born citizen, combined both principles of jus soli and jus sanguinis.
“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
Emmerich Vattel, Law of Nations, § 212. Of the citizens and natives
So does this mean all the other states did get the constitutional document or?
You may be right, but the common protest against discovery as a “fishing expedition” is typically invoked when the proponent of the discovery makes either a preposterously broad request (ie: give me a copy of every piece of paper you ever had, give me social security numbers of every member of your extended family, neighbors and friends) or when the proponent cannot make a reasonable argument for why the discovery is relevant or likely to lead to relevant evidence.
In this case, Taitz can certainly avoid both kinds of fishing expedition arguments by asking for very specific things which are very obviously relevant to the case: Besides the long form BC, school records, applications to schools and similar documents where one would likely have listed place of birth.
A part of her argument for more latitude is whatever she can present that casts doubt on the claim that 0 is a natural born citizen. Eg: the “new” Kenyan BC, submitted by affidavit of Lucas Smith. If that document can withstand some basic challenges to its authenticity, it really shifts the burden onto 0 to show his American status and justifies a thorough review of all relevant documents regarding his place of birth.
As to the certified COLB, I suppose you are talking about what was supposedly posted by the 0 campaign (the short form certificate). Again, a lot depends on how strong the doubts are based on the existing record. Sure the certified COLB enjoys a legal presumption of validity (assuming no forgery is shown), but such a presumption can be overcome with documents or other solid proofs casting doubt on its validity. The “judicious” thing to do is to see all the proofs and submit them to the test of trial. If Judge Carter’s intention is to clear up doubts about 0’s legitimacy, settling the matter based on the basis of limited proofs would not serve.
Why would Obama produce a certified copy and not Hawaii Vital Records? Would the subpoena duces tecum go to Obama or Hawaii? Please explain to me the best evidence rule for $.02.
Well there are few problems to clear up before they can float that lead balloon again.
Like the other three that we know exist and I suspect, if he was adopted, at least two others.
The only one that burnt up, in 1972, was his foreign Birth Certificate. Big Deal. There is a copy out there.
See my previous post. It is in bullet point and super quick read:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2336970/posts?page=293#293
Bingo.
And again, Orly is up against Army attorneys not DOJ who is apparently be-holden to Obombo.
Oops! I didn’t even look to see that was you replying. I thought it was someone else.
Of course, you would know the stories.
Sorry about that.
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