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'Totally Strange' Hurdia a Hurdle for Evolution
ICR ^ | September 9, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 09/09/2009 10:05:48 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Cambrian rock layers contain fossils that represent almost every modern phylum of animal, plus many that are now extinct. One animal fossil in particular would win the weird prize, if there were one. Paleontologists have been piecing together this strange creature’s body parts, which look as though they were taken from an array of totally different sea animals. This variety of features eludes an evolutionary explanation.

The parts of this particular fossilized animal had previously been described separately and given different names, as though they belonged to different creatures. But a recent study revealed that all these parts came from just one “totally strange” sea creature...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; catastrophism; catholic; christian; creation; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; intelligentdesign; judaism; science
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To: ElectricStrawberry

One more thought—I believe that the reason our troubled YEC friends denounce the need for peer review is now clear.


41 posted on 09/09/2009 11:40:53 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: CottShop
would be nice to see the evos explain the cambrian explosion-

It would be nice for the creationists to explain the lack of fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds and mammals in the Cambrian. For some reason, no creationist has even attempted to address my post 12. Gee, I wonder why?

42 posted on 09/09/2009 11:41:39 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Tomorrow is Suicide Prevention Day ... made me wonder about the sudden extinction cycle ending the Cambrian... did they all just kill themselves in protest over the unsustainable taxation imposed by the elitist vertebrate party? hmm...

/sarc


43 posted on 09/09/2009 11:50:08 AM PDT by FormerRep
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To: Buck W.

You’ve consistently proven over and over you suffer from delusions.

Well that and you understand next to nothing about virtually everything.


44 posted on 09/09/2009 12:18:21 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: tpanther

A true concession of defeat from a troubled YEC leftist, generously laced with characteristic bitterness and poor syntax.


45 posted on 09/09/2009 12:28:55 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: dirtboy
It would be nice for the creationists to explain the lack of fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds and mammals in the Cambrian.

Considering that 95% of all fossils are of marine invertebrates, 4.75% are of algae and plants, 0.24% insects and only 0.125% of all fossils are of vertebrates (of those, mostly fish) (most vertebrate species being represented by a only a single bone or less, in contrast to the invertebrate fossils represented by complete body plans) coupled with hydrological forces such as liquefaction and sorting; relative population densitities and ecological zones, it's not surprising at all.

Besides, even if some vertebrate were found in the Cambrian all you would do is deny that it was Cambrian.

A much harder riddle to solve is to show a transitional form between the invertebrates and the vertebrates. You assume it but you cannot demonstrate it despite the enormous number of transitionals that must have existed to bridge the gap between invertebrates and vertebrates.

Cordially,

46 posted on 09/09/2009 12:37:47 PM PDT by Diamond ("No one's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.")
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To: Diamond
Considering that 95% of all fossils are of marine invertebrates, 4.75% are of algae and plants, 0.24% insects and only 0.125% of all fossils are of vertebrates (of those, mostly fish) (most vertebrate species being represented by a only a single bone or less, in contrast to the invertebrate fossils represented by complete body plans) coupled with hydrological forces such as liquefaction and sorting; relative population densitities and ecological zones, it's not surprising at all.

Complete twaddle. I posted an image of a soft-bodied chordate in post 12. Seems that something with bones would be much more likely to be preserved.

And by the Devonian, there were so many fish fossils that the Devonian has been referred to as the age of fishes.

So try again to explain the impossible - that fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds and mammals were around during the Cambrian but we have no fossils for such.

47 posted on 09/09/2009 12:50:14 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Diamond
Besides, even if some vertebrate were found in the Cambrian all you would do is deny that it was Cambrian.

Please do try reading my post 12 again. I acknoweldge the presence of a member of the Phyla chordata in the Cambrian - and even posted a photo of that fossil. What I am asking for are fossils of all the classes within chordata from the Cambrian era - something one would expect from a Young Earth world.

48 posted on 09/09/2009 12:53:04 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: GodGunsGuts; CottShop; tpanther

Looks like you hit a nerve on this one.

Must be it’s a slow day over at DC.


49 posted on 09/09/2009 12:53:59 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

I’ve never even been to DC. Maybe you could try address my post #12 instead of just slinging strawmen around.


50 posted on 09/09/2009 12:58:46 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: GodGunsGuts
One animal fossil in particular would win the weird prize, if there were one.

Weirder than this?


51 posted on 09/09/2009 1:00:01 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

If what the scientists are saying is true, as hard as it is to imagine...yes!


52 posted on 09/09/2009 1:01:02 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: dirtboy; GodGunsGuts
Cambrian rock layers contain fossils that represent almost every modern phylum of animal, plus many that are now extinct.

All it says is that it contains fossils taht represent almost every modern phlyum of animal.

Well, then, if your creationist theories are correct, we should see in the Cambrian all classes under the Phylum chordata represented -

Why would you expect to see *all classes* under the phylum Chordata represented? By what reasoning did you arrive at that conclusion, that it would be necessary?

Nice lying through omission, by failing to mention that most classes of the apex phyla chordata are NOT present in the Cambrian.

They're lying by omission because they didn't include information that you think should have been in there?

A tad over reacting there, aren't you?

53 posted on 09/09/2009 1:10:15 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

I don’t understand why anyone considers the duck-billed platypus to be so ‘weird’.

It is pretty obvious that all it’s ‘features’ seem to work together in a manner that has allowed the platypus to ‘survive’.

And that is the only thing that really matters, when it comes to any ‘life form’.


54 posted on 09/09/2009 1:12:15 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
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To: SJSAMPLE; GodGunsGuts; metmom; Agamemnon; MrB; editor-surveyor; count-your-change; ...
I’m getting the notion that the kids who failed in grade school sciences like biology and chemistry have finally found a home.

LOL...your notions are as distorted as your scientific reality: godless leftist secular humanists hijack the schools and their utter failure is projected onto the normal folk.

Typical leftist drivel.

55 posted on 09/09/2009 1:13:25 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: tpanther

LOL...your notions are as distorted as your scientific reality: godless leftist secular humanists hijack the schools and their utter failure is projected onto the normal folk.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I don’t argue the rightness or wrongness of evolution.

Government should get out of the education business on every level. Do this and most of these evolution wars will end.


56 posted on 09/09/2009 1:17:24 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: metmom
All it says is that it contains fossils taht represent almost every modern phlyum of animal.

And my point is, that is a highly misleading statement. First of all, the phyla chordata IS present - and I posted an image of a fossil from that phyla. However, of the various classes under chordata, there are no fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds or mammals at that stage of the Cambrian - with most not appearing until tens or hundreds of millions of years after the Cambrian. Which means none of today's apex animals existed during the Cambrian.

Why would you expect to see *all classes* under the phylum Chordata represented? By what reasoning did you arrive at that conclusion, that it would be necessary?

By GGG's Young Earth Creationist viewpoints. Do you agree with such?

They're lying by omission because they didn't include information that you think should have been in there? A tad over reacting there, aren't you?

Hardly. As Orwell once noted, omission is the most powerful form of lie. By saying that just about all phyla were present in the Cambrian, the YEC types insinuate that the life forms in the Cambrian resemble those around today. But they do not.

57 posted on 09/09/2009 1:17:27 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: tpanther

LOL.

“Godless”.

Make sure you include that in EVERY response, so you sound authoritative and informed.


58 posted on 09/09/2009 1:18:09 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Buck W.

Your desperate elbowing of your fellow liberals in the throat, jockeying for the sir-project-alot award is duly noted, Bucky-poo.


59 posted on 09/09/2009 1:19:36 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: wintertime; tpanther
Government should get out of the education business on every level. Do this and most of these evolution wars will end.

Exactly. What some of us realize is that this is about ideology and control and a war for the minds of the next generation.

Evolution is the weapon of choice used by the left with which to gain ground in that battle.

60 posted on 09/09/2009 1:21:11 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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