""Maybe you're better off, uh, not having the surgery, but taking, uh, the pain killer..."--Barack Hussein Obama to Jane Sturm on August 9, 2009
FREEPERs VOTE...which one of these quotes is more outrageous?
Posted on 08/22/2009 12:43:54 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
FREEPERs VOTE...which one of these quotes is more outrageous?
What say you?
It’s a throw up
Government control of health care involves bureaucratic murder, not personal rape: as such, it is much more dangerous.
I vote Clinton, he caused that woman the worst kind of pain imaginable, not just physical, compounded it with the public denials and cruelty by his minions. 0bama’s was the ultimate of insensitivity, but I say Clinton beats him in the outrageous-meter.
I vote for Obama’s wee-weed quotation over both of these.
Barack Obama's is an opinion offered in a democratic republic, and he has not (yet) criminally imposed his will. If he were to use force to impose this belief, then it would be worse, of course.
But I sure hope no FReepers think that freedom of speech is worse than a criminal assault.
Could this explain Obama's "Death book" for VA patients and "death panels" for the rest of us?
An FBI informant tells of meetings where future Obama comrade the youthful Bill Ayers held sway:
"I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people."
They got it figured out?
But I sure hope no FReepers think that freedom of speech is worse than a criminal assault.
The thing is, 0bama's words, while not necessarily the reason, context he uttered them, have been said to me on more than one occasion by my physician, at those times, the surgical procedure necessary was more dangerous than waiting and relieving my pain with medication and I was *better off taking the pain pill*. (My surgeon nowhere near as callous when he pointed out the risks of surgery greater than the benefit it might derive).
A president of course does not need force. I do not believe that VA patients, or any of us, should be subject to
"After the Bush White House took a look at how this document was treating complex health and moral issues, the VA suspended its use. Unfortunately, under President Obama, the VA has now resuscitated "Your Life, Your Choices."
Have to hand this one to the O... Clinton at least made his awful remark in private, to only one individual. Obama made his knowing it would be spread to millions and it speaks volumes on his “signature” domestic policy issue.
Hey, O: better put some ice on that!
“Betty Curries brother was just killed in a hit and run...oh -by the way- you are on the witness list against me in the Paula Jones case”
Clinton 2am pone call to Monica Lewinsky
(same brother was beaten years before just prior to Currie’s testimony in Chinagate)
I confess that I do not understand your sarcasm. "Veterans are too stupid" must be sarcasm so is, I guess, "it's better not to give them any information."
But since you wrote "I'm with you (meaning me)" I am compelled to reply.
I want to make it clear that I do not consider that the "Death Book" is just information - it's much more than that. In the "Death Book"
"a worksheet on page 21 lists various scenarios and asks users to then decide whether their own life would be 'not worth living.'
"The circumstances listed include ones common among the elderly and disabled: living in a nursing home, being in a wheelchair and not being able to 'shake the blues.' There is a section which provocatively asks, 'Have you ever heard anyone say, 'If I'm a vegetable, pull the plug'?' There also are guilt-inducing scenarios such as 'I can no longer contribute to my family's well being,' 'I am a severe financial burden on my family' and that the vet's situation 'causes severe emotional burden for my family.'"
This sounds like "choice architecture" ("the way in which decisions are influenced by how the choices are presented") with nudges toward a decision desired by the author, Dr. Robert Pearlman, "a man who in 1996 advocated for physician-assisted suicide in Vacco v. Quill before the U.S. Supreme Court and is known for his support of health-care rationing."
The "Death Book" is far more than compassionate advice in matters of deep emotion and death.
Personally I have discussed these matters with my wife, especially severe financial burden on her.
If some GS clown shoved a book like that in my face I guess I'd test my memory for a lifetime of four-letter words if I wasn't strong enough to choke him/her.
“Maybe you’re better off, uh, not having the surgery”
Isn’t that something like Clinton saying “Maybe you’re better off, uh, NOT putting ice on that” ?
I think Obama out-outraged Clinton. Juanita Broadrick was at least allowed to put ice on her black eye or consult a doctor of her choice.
The context of Obama’s remark was that the government knows best, and not the patient or doctor(let’s face it folks, doctors perform expensive procedures just to get rich). The only people who are smart enough to choose for themselves will our rulers, who won’t be subject to Obama’s crummy health care.
What parts of the Bush Administration version are better, in your opinion?
What parts of the Bush Administration version are better, in your opinion?
My opposition is specific to the "Death Book." The article said that the Bush Adm. stopped the use of the "Death Book." My opposition is to the "Death Book" as described in this and other articles.
RE: "What parts of the Bush Administration version are better, in your opinion?"
I'd be surprised that the Bush Adm. had an alternative that was much if any different than prior administrations since W.W.II. W.W.I?
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