Posted on 08/02/2009 12:58:22 PM PDT by BP2
My first take is that the dates DO match up for 1964 events surrounding the Obama's 1964 divorce.
Here we go:
Ann filed for Divorce Jan. 20, 1964 (Inauguration Day – what are the odds?), and the date was set by the presiding judge for the trial to commence 30 days after Obama SR would have responded to his notification, sent to Cambridge, Mass (Cambridge – what are the odds? ).
Judge Samuel P. King who granted the divorce – last I heard was retired and alive (for now) in his 90s in Hawaii -- MAY or MAY NOT have asked to see the Marriage Certificate. BUT, I bet Judge King asked to see Obama JR's Birth Certificate to confirm Ann's claims that Obama SR was in fact the father. That is “standard” policy to have a Birth Certificate in case the mother asks for child support from the father (or Welfare) later after the divorce. Judge King probably told Ann to produce a birth certificate before or at trial, which would have been sometime in mid- to late-February 1964 HAD Obama SR answered his notice that was sent to Cambridge.
When Judge King wrote the order on Jan. 23, he had his clerk notify Obama SR via what's referred to as a "knock and nail". That is, the postman leaves the notification on the door for (generally) 10 days and retrieves it after that time passes -- signed or unsigned. That order was sent on Jan. 23 via airmail from Hawaii and was probably posted on Obama SR's door Jan. 27-28.
Obama SR's notification was unsigned by him and apparently IGNORED -- either he didn't want to accept it OR he was NOT at that location.
However, Judge King granted the divorce to Ann Obama (which changed back to Ann Dunham) exactly 60 days from when the original order was request by Ann by default.
NOW, my guess is that Judge King asked to see Obama JR’s Birth Certificate before he'd be willing to grant the divorce, either at trial or by default on March 20, 1964. Ann probably didn’t have the birth certificate when she filed on Jan 20. That's when this birth certificate would have been generated -- before trial for the 1964 divorce.
Important side note: the Certificate issue date of Feb 17, 1964, is JUST A FEW SHORT MONTHS AFTER KENYA BECAME INDEPENDENT on Dec. 12, 1963. TO THIS DATE, this may be the only certificate on Kenyan file today if British documents were sent to the UK for archiving leading up Kenya becoming an independent nation.
If you note the date on the Certified Copy, it was created by the Registrar in Kenya on Feb. 17, 1964. The Kenyan Birth Certificate would have been issued in the midst of the divorce -- AFTER the divorce was filed by Ann in Hawaii on Jan. 20, but BEFORE the divorce was granted by Judge King on March 20.
Furthermore, it's quite plausible that once Ann actually had this Kenyan birth certificate in her hands, and the divorce was granted on March 20, her attorney, George Kerr, counseled her on Hawaiian birth certificate "loopholes" and told her how to file for a Hawaiian "Certificate of Delayed Birth" to get Welfare or OTHER support for young Obama as a child of a non-supporting foreign national.
As Hawaiian law allows, that CODB could have been "converted" later to a “Certificate of Live Birth” (long birth certificate) in the 60s or 70s, which would then be a "root document" of the famed “Certification of Live Birth” (short birth certificate on "Fight the Smears") we see today presented as "proof" of birth of Barack Hussein Obama II, reportedly in Hawaii (note: the abstract “Certification of Live Birth” certificate did not exist in Hawaii until November 2001).
I can’t personally vouch for the veracity of the Kenyan birth certificate itself, not knowing how or from whom Orly obtained the birth certificate (the chain of evidence). It may have been obtained quite surreptitiously from the only filed Kenyan birth certificate record copy requested -- likely generated from the 1964 divorce.
It's QUITE possible that all other copies of this Kenyan birth certificate may have been scrubbed from Kenyan archives, but this one may have survived in a lone Vital Statistics office somewhere in Kenya not known about until now.
Pinging myself.
Both Orly and WND are to be admired more for their courage, enthusiasm and doggedness than for their unimpeachable credibility.
Certainly that's possible. I saw that comment, too. But, if your Adobe Reader isn't up to date, it's possible that you would get a message asking you to download the update if there was a pdf document at the site.
Supposedly WND has Birth certificates from the time frame this was issued and it looks legit!
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Oh really???? NOW that is interesting, very interesting. I think they have been sitting on this for a few weeks, getting all their ducks in a row.
08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT · by rxsid · 3,086 replies · 103,208+ views orlytaitzesq.com ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid
Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.Barry's Kenyan B.C.??Special Motion for leavehttp://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/
And, if it is real, it is likely that the document in the scan was transferred from the original British document before those British-Kenyan documents were moved to England. It's reasonable that they would do this for all Kenyan citizens around this time. Most Kenyan citizens born prior to 1963 probably have this same 1964 cross-over date on their Kenyan birth certificate, if this is the case.
There is also a possibility that the birth was called in to Kenya the day after. Even if that is the case, it would mean that the baby was registered Kenyan/British before he was registered a US citizen. It would be unreasonable to call him a Natural Born US Citizen if that is what happened.
Agree, but I’d hate for all that to go to waste.
I found references to the “Republic of Kenya”:
Jume 10-11 1964 in American newspapers
The divorce documents numbered from one to twelve...there’s your answer to why we only saw seven. The remaining five were ID documents and one was the BC for zero!
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Damn, bingo!
Here is the Constitution of Kenya as of 1963, before it was proclaimed a republic.
http://www.constitutionnet.org/files/KEL63-002.pdf
You’ll note that it refers to a Governor-General in Chapter III and refers to him as the as Her Majesty’s representative in Kenya.
Dominions have Governors-General and Queens. Republics have Presidents.
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Link to copy of divorce decree:
http://www.plainsradio.com/radio.html
Scroll down to the very bottom of the page.
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Do you have any proof of that? On the last thread there was a copy of the Constitution of the REPUBLIC of Kenya that was printed and ratified on December 12th 1963. Where is your information coming from?
Ok, i’m confused. What does that mean?
You mean “docs in a row.” har har har
I think if they committed fraud and installed a usurper in the WH, they should be the ones that are worried. Our military can take care of a few Chicago thugs should things get out of hand.
See Post 58 for a rebuttal to the idea that the Republic of Kenya came around in 1964, it was 1963.
Interesting. According to this
Kenya became independent on 12 December 1963, with Kenyatta as premier. Zanzibar had become independent two days earlier; but the ‘coastal strip’ had been ceded by the sultan of Zanzibar to Kenya in October. The country voluntarily became a one-party state in November 1964, and in December 1964 became a republic within the Commonwealth, with Kenyatta as president.
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So if the coastal strip [Coastal Provence?] was given to Kenya in October and Kenya became independent in December 1963, could it have considered itself a Republic before the name was offically changed?
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