Posted on 08/01/2009 8:34:48 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
WAUSAU, Wis. A central Wisconsin man accused of killing his 11-year-old daughter by praying instead of seeking medical care was found guilty Saturday of second-degree reckless homicide.
Dale Neumann, 47, was convicted in the March 23, 2008, death of his daughter, Madeline, from undiagnosed diabetes. Prosecutors contended he should have rushed the girl to a hospital because she couldn't walk, talk, eat or drink. Instead, Madeline died on the floor of the family's rural Weston home as people surrounded her and prayed. Someone called 911 when she stopped breathing.
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Neumann, who once studied to be a Pentecostal minister, testified Thursday that he believed God would heal his daughter and he never expected her to die. God promises in the Bible to heal, he said.
"If I go to the doctor, I am putting the doctor before God," Neumann testified. "I am not believing what he said he would do."
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I had to read that a few times.
You are one sick richard. Oh, and it is personal.
These are the agonizing borderline cases. As another commented, the parents might have gone scott free if the daughter had simply died in bed alone, without prayer, the parents thinking her asleep.
They try that every year and it fails to get off the ground every year. I wouldn’t worry about it. Too many people from all across the political spectrum have a deeply ingrained habit of exercising their freedom by buying and taking whatever supplements they want.
not buying it.
Can you dig up more facts? My speculation is at least as good as yours without that.
Now, just who has verified your reality testing as the least bit grounded in conventional reality? A decoder ring from Rice Crispies?
And what was that training again that you received--about how to assess craziness?
INDEED! INDEED!
Thanks tons.
You humble me in blessed ways.
However, you might have missed the principle and policy that Quix believing something automatically makes it bad in some eyes.
if God gave me a daughter (he did), do I have the right to abort her? Perhaps instead take her life because I believe the Lord will heal her, as I watch her die, a lengthly death, on my living room carpet? Without even picking up the phone and asking for some medical advice,? A little advice, like, hey, my daughter is drifing in and out of consciousness, hasn’t eaten, is weak, cannot get up on her own strengh, you know little stuff like that. Are you effing Nuts? Wait, don’t answer that. It wouldn’t change a thing.
Oh horsesh*t.
You're just an old nut who sits in their recliner all day long and only gets up long enough to go to the fridge, take a dump and (rarely) get in the bathtub.
There is a UN based treaty requiring it of all nations in the World Trade organization or some such.
And it sounds like Congress has finally passed the law mandating such.
I haven’t examined the details closely yet but it sure sounds that way.
I’ll see if I can find the thread link.
Here it is:
The Jackasses did it HR 2749 the Seizure of the US food supply and production passed the House
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2306275/posts
There’s a housemate Freeper and a former student FREEPER who’d beg to differ! LOL.
But it’s a cute image.
However, you’ll discover the truth is as I’ve stated plenty soon for your taste.
Also you talk about yourself in the third person a lot. Another sign that there is something wrong.
BTW, I can’t throw pots in my Laz-Y-Boy!
Bunch of nonsense. These scare stories go around every year. This one doesn’t even mention supplements, it’s related to farming. But the scaremongers are fond of claiming all sorts of things that aren’t really there. Not to mention that this hasn’t even been enacted into law yet, and may well never be.
There really does need to be some updated regulation of the national food supply chain, to deal with the very real possibility of bioterror attacks. People who run around claiming that homeowners are going to to get fined or arrested for growing their own tomatoes in their backyards are just crazy scaremongers. The federal government can regulate interstate commerce, but it can’t regulate backyard gardening anywhere outside the District of Columbia.
You could be right.
I just know that the globalists are super evil bustards.
They will use any and every way they can to trouble the serfs and to exterminate “useless eaters.”
That has been their goal for at least 100 years as the quotes ref’d in my tagline attest.
The particular examples folks raise may or may not be 5% true or 95% true or wherever in between. Nevertheless, the gloalists really do intend to reduce forcably the world’s population down to 200 million worldwide.
Thankfully, Scripture indicates they will not succeed in that goal. However, Scripture also indicates that 1/3 of the population of earth will die by one point and another 1/3 or what’s left after that.
I come from core values. I am seriously trying to find a place in the bible where it says to control how others raise their kids.
To be clear, I am speaking academically here. If I saw someone actually doing, right in front of me, what you said, I would almost certainly do everything to stop it.
And on a side note, you really should not be so quick to judge based on a couple of posts totalling less than a hundred words. You may want to ask clarifying questions first. We do something at work called “precision questioning”. And answers that cause you to think someone is a “sick richard” may need to be followed up before you jump to conclusions.
I really like that with the internet we can “monologue” to ensure we state our case even if someone doesn’t bother to read it, but so many people, in their haste to size up another persons position, incorrectly jump to their own conclusions WAY too early.
Just sayin’.
Just to be clear then, did you really mean the statement above, or was it just an off the cuff remark, not too thought out?
I know a little bit about diabetes. that girl did not suddenly become stricken and writhe on the living room floor.
She had months to become daily weaker and weaker, while finally too weak to even speak, until she became a diabetic ketoacidotic comatose body.
This is not 2000 years ago, it is today, 2009.
You may wish to question or debate the acedemics, I would much rather beat the man with a large stick for being a sick sumbitch.
I pray to God, I really do, that this person has no control over the lives of any other innocent children.
All of them were academic right up to the point where I started talking about what I would probably do in a real world situation. I am a very black and white thinker and, while that can be a very good thing in some situations, in others it requires me to spend a lot of time thinking things out.
If I see an issue as grey, as in, when do we get involved with how people interact with their children, I find it necessary to break the issue down to its smaller black and white components and their accompanying core values. I find intellectual success when I can draw a difinitive line and say at this point, based on my core values, the state should get involved. I’m still trying to find that line.
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