Posted on 08/01/2009 8:34:48 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
WAUSAU, Wis. – A central Wisconsin man accused of killing his 11-year-old daughter by praying instead of seeking medical care was found guilty Saturday of second-degree reckless homicide.
Dale Neumann, 47, was convicted in the March 23, 2008, death of his daughter, Madeline, from undiagnosed diabetes. Prosecutors contended he should have rushed the girl to a hospital because she couldn't walk, talk, eat or drink. Instead, Madeline died on the floor of the family's rural Weston home as people surrounded her and prayed. Someone called 911 when she stopped breathing.
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Neumann, who once studied to be a Pentecostal minister, testified Thursday that he believed God would heal his daughter and he never expected her to die. God promises in the Bible to heal, he said.
"If I go to the doctor, I am putting the doctor before God," Neumann testified. "I am not believing what he said he would do."
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Seems to be overwhelmingly true.
So using the logic you use in post 19, if he believed God commanded him to make a human sacrifice of his daughter and he plunged a knife into her heart that would be okay? After all “God gave hime the child, the state did not.”
if you don’t believe, then quit pretending you can make sense of those who do.
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EXCEEDINGLY WELL PUT.
I wonder if he’ll be posting the refs where one can get a well earned PhD in prickly spiteful nastiness.
Actually, I’m not so sure about this. When parents refuse medical treatment for children with deadly diseases, I certainly think that is wrong.
But it’s not always clear that a child should go to a hospital because they are sick.
The article doesn’t say how long this went on, but it does report: “The father testified that he thought Madeline had the flu or a fever, and several relatives and family friends said they also did not realize how sick she was.”
If the child had died because her parents didn’t realize how sick she was, probably nothing would have been said about it. But because they held a prayer session, apparently that attracted the attention of the prosecutors.
I don’t know the details. Maybe the father’s version of what happened was contradicted by the facts. But we don’t really know that.
When I get sick, or one of my kids gets sick with a fever, usually we put them to bed as long as the fever isn’t too bad or doesn’t go on too long. Sometimes we call the doctor. But it is a matter of judgment, and we don’t really have enough here to know that the parents’ judgment was wrong. For instance, if you have the flu or a stomach bug, you probably can’t eat for 24 hours. You have “no appetite.” That’s obviously different from a refusal to eat for a long time. Again, we aren’t really told what happened.
So, either the parents screwed up, or the prosecutor and jury were anti-Christian bigots. I’m unsure which.
Look, all I know is you’re a nut. I know you think that if there are aliens (as in from UFO’s) that they are demonic in nature. Sorry, that makes you a nut.
I try to avoid commenting on your threads. I figure they are your threads and I won’t bother you there. You have a right to comment on my threads just as I have a right to comment on yours. I would just prefer a longer distance between you and I.
Might have been a combination of both.
Unconsciousness is plenty reason to call the doc.
That one is actually a tough one for me. I’m not joking. I really do believe that God gave us our children as our responsibility and not the state’s. I will say that torture is another issue for me.
The thing is, it really is a slippery slope that results, eventually, in the state telling parents exactly what they can and cannot do regarding disciplining and otherwise caring for their children.
Jesus did not come that we may have a better life on this planet. He cam that we may come to him and spend eternity with him in a personal relationship. This life is mindbogglingly brief. In the sceme of things, less than a nanosecond.
I’ve always liked you as a poster and I can tell that you’re sincere (and always have been) in your statements. I disagree with you to some extent but I guess if we agreed on everything it would be a dull forum. :)
I wasn’t aware that you had training in assessing
degrees of nuttiness.
I have no great passion for bothering you on “your” thread.
I tend to enjoy the distance, too.
However, fiesty loud ringing of my bell is likely to get a response.
If I can be granted leave to "quibble," I would agree the primary goal of Jesus' coming isn't better life on earth, but I would also insist that it is a most definite secondary effect. Not only does it directly exercise God's pleasure, it also serves as witness to God's love and mercy. Glory goes to God as a result.
I went to school with a lady who was raised Luthern.
She got swept up by the Pentacostal group and she hasn’t been the same since. I dropped her from my list of friends- knwn her since 1952.
If we play it smart, it will be a good thing. Playing it smart means putting an end to all the stupid, nanny-state laws that require a “prescription” to buy even the most basic medical supplies, and learning to think and act for ourselves.
This girl’s blood sugar could have been tested at home for a few cents, and insulin and fluids administered at home by her parents too. These parents were putting broth in the girl’s mouth when she couldn’t eat or drink on her own, but they’ve been brainwashed into thinking that any care beyond that has to involve a “DOCTOR” (and of course lots of money, from the patient’s family, or an insurer, or the taxpayers).
Look bub, the article is there, and so is a discussion. By definition it’s open to all, though you run the risk of getting criticized or heckled if you act stupid. Quix is every bit as authentic a freeper as you. You can’t create Quixless threads any more than he can create Webbless threads.
when your house is on fire and a bunch of guys show up in a big red truck, wearing funny looking hats, let then squirt water on the fire......even if you pray real hard, Jesus is not likely to show up and quench the blaze.....He doesn’t work that way, he creates smart people, enables them to get through medical school, and instills in them the knowledge necessary to treat diabetes....see it’s still him, just acting through someone else.......does it all the time!!!
Keep recalling. You might discover that Jesus was one, too.
I’m not mandating anything “bub”. We all have a right to post on any thread we like (with limited exceptions). But if you think I’m going to let this thread about some dumb ass religious fanatic who let his daughter die get hijacked by a bunch of holy rollers without comment you have another thing coming.
A different thread posted tonight documents passage in the traitorous congress of an even
MORE TYRANNICAL AND RESTRICTIVE SET OF LAWS relative to meds and foods and supplements . . . requiring virtually everything of any benefit to health to require a prescription in terms of vitamins and supplements. IIRC.
Very hideous.
Re post #35
Well said.
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
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