Posted on 07/30/2009 8:35:25 PM PDT by Edward Watson
The entire birther argument, that Obama was actually born in Kenya instead of the US, making him ineligible for holding the office of the President of the US, is a spurious argument. It plays into Obama and the liberals hands - they want this to continue since it makes regular conservatives and opponents into fringe wackos.
Not one of us would've looked harder at his legitimacy than Hilary Clinton and the entire Clinton smear machine during the Democratic primaries. That magic bullet would've given Hilary the presidency - and yet nada, bupkis.
There are many valid reasons to oppose Obama and the liberals, but his birthplace isn't one of them.
Who are you? Its bad enough that the government is going to tell us how to wipe our butts now I have to listen to a so called freeper tell me what to think take a hike unless you have proof step aside. Why dont you start with telling your local representatives to stop taking your freedoms away instead of treading on our movement to find the truth..
“For instance, there’s no question that I’m a citizen. I was born in the US, to two American citizens. “
- You havent proven that to me. How do we know those are your real parents? You would have to PROVE their citizenship. Maybe you were switched at the hospital. You can come up with a number of scenarios. How do you know you werent born in Canada, flown to US and your birth certificate faked?
“There’s a special class of “citizen” required to be president, and that’s “natural born”, which is NOT just “a citizen”. “
- There are no classes of citizenship in the US. Check your 14th amendment.
“I had to obtain and then provide SEVERAL items of proof, including birth certificates, to get passports for the wife and kids (I don’t have one yet)”
- So did Obama, to go to Germany, etc. The COLB he released suffices for getting a passport. This one:
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg
So many come here citing Factcheck and Wiki. Even after you tell them, they STILL believe.
Again you are wrong. My mother had a baby in 62 and was home in 2 days. Stop making statements based on assumptions.
Again you are wrong. My mother had a baby in 62 and was home in 2 days. Stop making statements based on assumptions. Or did Annenburg Factcheck tell you it was at LEAST 3 days? LOL
There you go again. Believing that Obama was born in Honolulu was not based on a single data point, but on multiple pieces of evidence. The state of Hawaii official vouching for Obama’s records showing him being born in Hawaii is not just a mere eyewitness but an on-the-record corroboration of an official record. You are the one being conned into rejecting the obvious.
1. Common sense - Stanley Dunham and Barack Obama Sr lived, met and were students in Honolulu. That was there hometown. As students, they had little money, so the natural conclusion would be that they would have very likely had their baby in Honolulu.
2. Marriage in Feb (shotgun wedding?), baby in August; honeymoon was on another hawaiian island; if they were going to travel anywhere else, THAT would have been the time to do it.
3. Newspaper announcement of birth one week after birth, Aug 4. Two newspapers had birth announcements on Aug 13 and Aug 14th, and they were in turn gotten from State of Hawaii records office ...
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/ObamaBirthStarBulletin.jpg
4. Family recollections that he was born in Honolulu.
5. The COLB - The Certification of Live Birth, that people get from the State of Hawaii when they request birth records. This document has an embossed seal and stamp and is sufficient documentation for getting a passport or a drivers license. The COLB ...
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_6.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_4.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_6.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_7.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_8.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_9.jpg
6. Obama obtained US passports for overseas travel. He needed valid birth certification that proved US citizenship to do so. While the above COLB is from 2007, he needed a prior one to get his passport to go to Kenya.
7. State officials from Hawaii vouched for his birth records being on file and him being born in Hawaii.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/27/AR2009072703114.html
“Again you are wrong. My mother had a baby in 62 and was home in 2 days”
Did she travel from Kenya to Hawaii?
Did she take 48 hour overseas international flights with the baby in that time?
My wife was home in two days, they like to get people out of hospitals nowadays, but had bed rest for a week and was told to do nothing strenuous. Thats typical. Flying over the ocean would be out of the question, especially back in those days.
Thanks for desperately trying to miss the point and twist what I am trying to point out.
So his sister says he was born in Honolulu. Fancy that.
oops, reply was meant to be to this one ...
So his half-sister says he was born in Honolulu. Fancy that.
You know what the point is? I have no idea and neither do you. Again, this man’s past is shadow and smoke and you buy it. Why? There have NEVER been these kinds of questions about a President. Never. We even knew who Clinton was. Obama is a mystery. And that’s the point. No records released at all. None. Just Colbs to leftist sites. Tell me, did McCain release his BC through FR? Who would have bought such crap if he had? No one. Well...........you.
“The Justice said that the child of the resident alien is a citizen, not a natural born citizen.”
Naturalized are citizens, too. But the decision didn’t say Wong Kim Ark was just as much a citizen as naturalized citizens; it said he was just as much a citizen as natural born citizens. Meaning he was something more than a mere citizen. Apparently everyone who interprets that passage to mean nothing more than “he’s a citizen” forgot about naturalized citizens, which doesn’t surprise me. Because bringing up that other category distracts from the delusion that soil babies and blood babies are polar opposites, whereas in reality both stand together against the naturalized.
Did McCain release his BC through FR? Who would have bought such crap if he had? No one. Well...........you.
“Be sure not to step in front of that ‘legal cannon.’”
Sorry, canon.
“I don’t believe that telling Zero to produce his long form birth certificate us way, way out there.”
That’s fine. It’s what I said, as well.
I don’t retract anything I said. He was not born in Hawaii nor in any other states. He is a foreigner.
SHOW US THE REAL RECORDS, NOT THE COUNTERFEIT ONES from this COUNTERFEIT person.
I thought you were Canadian. When did you move to Texas?
“You have to be a child of two citizens. Pretty simple.”
According to what?
There are law suits which are ongoing. One, for Allen Keyes and one for many military and government people. Orly Taitz is the attorney who has the goods on this counterfeit.
the press is pure propaganda, as in Russia. In just a year, we have seen that happen.
Obama never “released” his COLB. He caused an image to be posted here and there.
I want to see the long-form BC, and his school records, passport info, etc., because Obama doesn’t want me to see any of these things.
Because he has resisted letting me see them, I surmise that their release would be fatal to Obama’s political career.
Obviously, only vicious anti-Americans could fail to desire the end of Obama’s political career.
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