Posted on 07/30/2009 6:25:00 PM PDT by trueamerica
On the Decosta COLB (which no one alleges is a fake,) every field header matches that of the Obama COLB except for one. On hers it says : Date ACCEPTED By State Registrar. On Obamas it says Date FILED By Registrar (Notice not the state registrar, this would be the local one ). Two different things. Either that field header is forged in Obamas ( they are from the same form - OHSM 1.1 Revised (11/01) ) or it means his registration was FILED at that date BUT was not ACCEPTED. If you look at the long form copy of the birth certificate available online from 1963, Field 20 says : Date Accepted by Local Registrar. Field 22 says Date Accepted by Registrar General ( which is the State Registrar ).A change from accepted to filed are significant enough linguistic changes that a different form would have to be created. Legally, accepted and filed are two very different things. So both these phrase were used on the form depending on the circumstances.
This section of the Hawaii Revised Stautes explains why that would be used:
Sec 338-16 ( late registration defined ) d) When an applicant does not submit the minimum documentation required by the rules for late registration or when the state registrar finds reasons to question the validity or adequacy of the certificate or the documentary evidence, the state registrar shall not register the late certificate and shall advise the applicant of the reason for this action.
So, something entered on the long form was not verifiable and thus, it was not approved by the state. So assuming his online COLB is not fake ( or the forgers were just too incompetent to notice they put in the wrong field header ), all you have with his online COLB is a FILING, not an ACCEPTED certificate
Could this be what he is hiding?
Yea, that’s the problem, it all has to do with what was being used at the time that the printing is being made. So literally if I got a new one today, it would likely be subtly different then the one I currently have.
Its ... frustrating.
And it might have, if everybody hadn't gone nuts trying to update the software.
It so happens that I've seen similar issues cause some very "strange" results.
If you go back and read your initial plunge into that thread (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2302120), you will notice that you tried to assume the role of ‘correcting expert’. Your conclusion was notably a raging defense of Danae and chastisement of those questioning her. Admirable, but you were incorrect according to what the Vital Records folks have said.
check out this new thread
FactCheck COLB are forged
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2304902/posts
I suggest we all sit down and have a beer together and relax a little before Obamanation tells the press we are fighting between ourselves over his fake BC.
flamesuit on/
............... Maybe.........
LOL
Happy birthday, by the way if you are over the hill you sure don’t show it! I’m “rolling” (stone) down the other side myself...
Dude, you aren’t even dealing with them on an official level. You are just talking to those who answer the phone. You can’t even say or won’t what their positions are or their expertise, level of experience...
hehe I have posted my Birth certificate! LOL I can’t hide... lol
I’ve been an administrator for large computer systems and for unknown reasons they can make inexplicable errors, especially after updating the software. Patches and fixed would have to be applied. It makes sense and could explain Danae’s anomalies.
And I posted my own doubts before you talked to them. It still doesn’t absolve anyone for the way they, and you, were attacking Danae. Plarik accused her of forging her COLB. She didn’t. YOU called her a liar. She wasn’t. I have a sense of decency. I didn’t think what happened on that thread was decent. And it wasn’t.
Some URLs for your review:
You can check for yourself. There is really only one other example other than Barry's forgery that says "filed by". I thought it said 2007, but another look says it could be 2001. If it is, then Barry's is again the anomalous one. The language could have been changed after 2001, before the others which were at least 2002 or 03. It could be that "filed by" is the old language, while "accepted by" is the new.
Mind's getting fuzzy, need to look at it all tomorrow evening.
Two posts from Repubx.com:
“... a lot of prominent Republicans, ranging from party leaders to big-name pundits that we usually expect to make outrageous partisan attacks, are doing something they’d been previously neglecting: Definitively cracking down on the Birthers, rather than playing to the conspiracy theorists allowing this stuff to continue festering among their activist base.
“Until recently, this wasn’t the situation at all. Indeed, prominent Congressional Republicans were openly entertaining this stuff. A bill to require birth certificates from presidential candidates has picked up 11 total co-sponsors; Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK) declared that the Birthers “have a point,” and that he doesn’t discourage it. Even House GOP Vice-Chair Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA), a member of the leadership, was saying she wanted to see the documents.
“But now there’s a pattern from on high — in both the punditocracy and from the party leadership — of Republicans backing away from this ...”
tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/.../...he-birthers.php
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Foggy
@ Foggy:
Here is what I think is going on: Remember before Clinton was impeached, I think Stephanopolis or some other guy on ABC said that if Clinton goes down, it would then open a whole can of worms, meaning taking down a lot of people with him. What happened in the Senate? They did NOT want to touch this with a ten foot pole!
Now I see this sinister problem with the same eyes this time around, that if PINO is “falling” from the thrown based on the Constitutional crises of unseen or unheard proportion, the mess will be so grave that the card house of Congress will be crashing down. Remember this is what Philip Berg has been warning against BEFORE the election.
So now you have two of the three branches being black mailed to silence exactly the way the Senate handled Clinton in letting him off the hook.
Our Founding Fathers would be turning over in their graves if they could see how our nation has been corrupted by foreign powers initiated by the USSR many years ago!
The “Birthers’ are the only people in the U.S. that sees this clearly, and the “After-birthers” are doing their best to shut them down, which is a difficult task to do because of the Internet and the speed of light in communication, and they have the Constitution on their side.
Additional now PINO’s problems are discussed in the military, challenging him on his legalities to be THEIR commander-in-chief. It is going to be very ugly, because all 50 Secretary of States did NOT do their Constitutional duty to secure proper vetting, hmmmm!
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Paulus
And of course the clerks there are all incompetent don’tchaknow.
Yeah, it well could. I have fallen victim to “The State Doesn’t Make a Mistake” routine, so I know it happens. And it is crazy trying to undo their mistake when they won’t even admit they could possibly make one. I had to go to court to straighten it out. Cost me plenty. Cost them zip.
Check the map. Honolulu is -10. The dateline should be at -12, but they fudge it so the Aleutians are the same day as the rest of AK.
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