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JAMES TARANTO: It's certifiable: the last word on Obama's place of birth
The Wall Street Journal ^ | July 30, 2009 | JAMES TARANTO

Posted on 07/30/2009 5:06:48 PM PDT by curiosity

Several readers have written over the past few days taking us to task for dismissing so-called birthers as lunatics without bothering to refute their claims. We reluctantly concede their point. The birthers have managed to sow confusion in the minds of some who are not lunatics, and for the latter group’s benefit it is worth clarifying matters.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: afterbirthers; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; eligibility; kenya; kenyan; muslim; notanamerican; obama; obotsfreakout; rinoromney; romney; romney4obama; romneybot4obama; taranto
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Just passing by and wondered what was in the bin... they said you took the entire bin... LOL...


201 posted on 07/30/2009 7:02:09 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: kabar

That link is a brilliant article about the questions surrounding Obama’s past. It’s a must read.


202 posted on 07/30/2009 7:03:11 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: editor-surveyor
I havent seen anything as looney as you since the dude on June 4, 1967 laying in the gutter at Haight and Masonic beating his head against the curb.

Shhhh, don't tell anyone but I think that was StarTraveler

203 posted on 07/30/2009 7:03:37 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Move over NetZero - Obama's in the house!)
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To: melancholy
"these may show different names, different citizenships, grades, addictions, etc."

Speaking of addictions, Obama looks like he's back on the 8 ball express again. Drooping eyelids forced wide by amphetamines.

Someone has to find Barry's rap sheet. You know he was a coke dealer. lol.
204 posted on 07/30/2009 7:04:13 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: Star Traveler
I see that we’ve got Free Republic — up to speed — for the evening... fasten seat belts and let’s go to town... LOL...

Yeah, keep mocking your fellow FReepers and prepare to plaster your spammorama on your terribly informative posts.

Geez, how boring can you get!

205 posted on 07/30/2009 7:05:26 PM PDT by melancholy
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To: SnuffaBolshevik

I just checked Free Republic for LOL... in the last year...

— Results 1 - 100 of about 205,000 from freerepublic.com for “LOL” —

Sorry, I do post a lot, but not that much... :-)

[... actually, I’ve noticed it catching on with people here, since I’ve been doing it... hmmm...]


206 posted on 07/30/2009 7:05:59 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: editor-surveyor
Your comment.

His sperm donor was a British citizen, thus under the constitution, he is not "natural born".

We do have the problem of the framers of the Constitution not laying down a hard and fast definition of "natural born". Considering their absolute distaste for things British and indeed European, I would venture they had no intention of anything but two natural born citizens being the parents. If not that, two parents being citizens of America at the time.

The case of Chester Arthur, the Vice-President who became President on the assassination of President Garfield does raise questions. However at the time of his inauguration Arthur' father had become an American citizen. Thus his American mother and William Arthur were both citizens at Chester's ascent to the Presidency.

Since a number of British children were born in India and indeed China, they were considered British. True, one could say that American law thus superseded this. Perhaps it is thus written down somewhere.

A final note though, since the "birthers" are not crying "fire in a crowded theatre," there seems to be some sort of Alinsky afoot to deny them.

Free speech rules.

207 posted on 07/30/2009 7:07:25 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: SnuffaBolshevik
but 127 ruins it.

LOL, sorry, I just spit on my monitor :)

208 posted on 07/30/2009 7:08:11 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Move over NetZero - Obama's in the house!)
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To: Star Traveler
"But, there is plenty of political issues to deal with, in terms of conservatives opposing Marxist/liberal/leftist policies, legislation and agendas."

Horrible grammar in your sentence, but I do think you should start devoting more of your energy to those issues that you believe must be "dealt with", less they get resolved without your input. Or is that part of your hypocrisy?
210 posted on 07/30/2009 7:09:38 PM PDT by Canedawg ( "Government cant make you happy or healthy or wealthy or wise." - S. Palin)
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To: Electric Graffiti

What happened to civility around here? I think they like to be quoted in the MSM as the voice of reason in a nut house.


211 posted on 07/30/2009 7:10:51 PM PDT by melancholy
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To: lovesdogs

Now, here’s the core problem...

Okay, as a “general theme” here, to my answers, and before I get into my answers, I will say that the general them is that — the USA is under the judgment of God, right now, and it remains to be seen what the response of the USA will be to that judgment of God.

It’s either going to be repentance or a further hardening of the hearts of the people of this country, “as a nation”.

That judgment of God upon the USA stems from some very specific and overt actions of the country, over decades, along with the “general” action of the abandonment of God in this nation.

Those specific actions that God is judging are — the actions of the US in forcing the dividing of the land of Israel, the killing of 50 million kids over several decades, and the promoting of homosexuality and homosexual marriage in this country.

And, an *obvious result* of that judgment of God, is the sending, by God, President Obama, to be President over this land, in order to carry out God’s judgments upon this land. In other words, the people have voted to get the “best government that they deserve” and God has determined that the best deserved for this people of this land — is President Obama. Obama is the judgment of God over the USA.

And remember, one does not *thwart* the judgment of God; that can never happen. So if someone thinks that they will get rid of Obama by trying to thwart His judgment and get rid of the President He put into place, they are sadly mistaken.

There’s only *one proven way* to “thwart” the judgment of God, and that is by the repentance of the nation (and “as a nation”).

At this point, I’ll bring up another post I have done on this issue..., and the following is from another such post...

Now, God is a forgiving God, though, and if we *do listen* to an example of a previous President, this nation *may* find some grace from our Creator God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

BUT, without the requisite repentance, don’t expect the grace of God upon this nation (although as individuals, we do live in God’s grace on our personal lives, in accepting the salvation offered by Him, through faith in Jesus, the Messiah of Israel...)

To see *how far the U.S. has fallen* — from God and His righeousness..., just look at what Abraham Lincoln wrote...

The following is a “national repentence” thread.

Abraham Lincoln’s Word to the United States Today
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2232720/posts

[ —This is Lincoln’s original proclamation, with only *four words* changed in *one phrase* (only)... The rest is the exact same proclamation, except for the dates adjusted, and that’s all (and the note at the very bottom of the proclamation, the very last line...) — ]


A Proclamation.

Whereas, the Senate of the United States, devoutly recognizing the Supreme Authority and just Government of Almighty God, in all the affairs of men and of nations, has, by a resolution, requested the President to designate and set apart a day for National prayer and humiliation.

And whereas it is the duty of nations as well as of men, to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions, in humble sorrow, yet with assured hope that genuine repentance will lead to mercy and pardon; and to recognize the sublime truth, announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord.

And, insomuch as we know that, by His divine law, nations like individuals are subjected to punishments and chastisements in this world, may we not justly fear that the awful calamity of economic and national collapse, which now desolates the land, may be but a punishment, inflicted upon us, for our presumptuous sins, to the needful end of our national reformation as a whole People? We have been the recipients of the choicest bounties of Heaven. We have been preserved, these many years, in peace and prosperity. We have grown in numbers, wealth and power, as no other nation has ever grown. But we have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in peace, and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us; and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us!

It behooves us then, to humble ourselves before the offended Power, to confess our national sins, and to pray for clemency and forgiveness.

Now, therefore, in compliance with the request, and fully concurring in the views of the Senate, I do, by this my proclamation, designate and set apart Thursday, the 30th. day of July, 2009, as a day of national humiliation, fasting and prayer. And I do hereby request all the People to abstain, on that day, from their ordinary secular pursuits, and to unite, at their several places of public worship and their respective homes, in keeping the day holy to the Lord, and devoted to the humble discharge of the religious duties proper to that solemn occasion.

All this being done, in sincerity and truth, let us then rest humbly in the hope authorized by the Divine teachings, that the united cry of the Nation will be heard on high, and answered with blessings, no less than the pardon of our national sins, and the restoration of our now divided and suffering Country, to its former happy condition of unity and peace.

In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the City of Washington, this 12th day of April, in the year of our Lord two thousand and nine, and of the Independence of the United States the two hundred and thirty second.

By the President: Abraham Lincoln


Sent by the Word of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

NOW..., as to whether the U.S. and its people *will do this* — that’s another question. I seriously doubt it — so I think the judgment of God will *stay in place* and the U.S. is going down...


212 posted on 07/30/2009 7:11:02 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler
What are you, five years old?

When are you going to answer my question?

213 posted on 07/30/2009 7:11:07 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Move over NetZero - Obama's in the house!)
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To: pissant

Did you read the article at the top of this thread?


214 posted on 07/30/2009 7:11:07 PM PDT by Once-Ler (Republican)
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To: Canedawg

Well, I didn’t know we were being graded on grammar on Free Republic... I think I can direct you over to a few that need some serious help.... (even if I do need some... :-) ... ).


216 posted on 07/30/2009 7:14:02 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: editor-surveyor
LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL! What are you on?

She's posting while Prozac'ing.

217 posted on 07/30/2009 7:14:39 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Once-Ler

Yes. I told you he pulled it out of his ass. Produce the quotes from Fukino


218 posted on 07/30/2009 7:15:08 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: melancholy

You said — Geez, how boring can you get!

Ummm..., if I’m boring, what does that make you for reading it, much less answering it... LOL...


219 posted on 07/30/2009 7:15:26 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Peter Libra

Our constitution is not a bare document. There is a huge paper trail discussing the nuances of every sentence.

Natural born means both parents born here as citizens. That is why they had to exempt themselves. They didn’t qualify in most cases.


220 posted on 07/30/2009 7:15:36 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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