Posted on 07/30/2009 5:06:48 PM PDT by curiosity
Several readers have written over the past few days taking us to task for dismissing so-called birthers as lunatics without bothering to refute their claims. We reluctantly concede their point. The birthers have managed to sow confusion in the minds of some who are not lunatics, and for the latter groups benefit it is worth clarifying matters.
(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...
Just passing by and wondered what was in the bin... they said you took the entire bin... LOL...
That link is a brilliant article about the questions surrounding Obama’s past. It’s a must read.
Shhhh, don't tell anyone but I think that was StarTraveler
Yeah, keep mocking your fellow FReepers and prepare to plaster your spammorama on your terribly informative posts.
Geez, how boring can you get!
I just checked Free Republic for LOL... in the last year...
— Results 1 - 100 of about 205,000 from freerepublic.com for “LOL” —
Sorry, I do post a lot, but not that much... :-)
[... actually, I’ve noticed it catching on with people here, since I’ve been doing it... hmmm...]
His sperm donor was a British citizen, thus under the constitution, he is not "natural born".
We do have the problem of the framers of the Constitution not laying down a hard and fast definition of "natural born". Considering their absolute distaste for things British and indeed European, I would venture they had no intention of anything but two natural born citizens being the parents. If not that, two parents being citizens of America at the time.
The case of Chester Arthur, the Vice-President who became President on the assassination of President Garfield does raise questions. However at the time of his inauguration Arthur' father had become an American citizen. Thus his American mother and William Arthur were both citizens at Chester's ascent to the Presidency.
Since a number of British children were born in India and indeed China, they were considered British. True, one could say that American law thus superseded this. Perhaps it is thus written down somewhere.
A final note though, since the "birthers" are not crying "fire in a crowded theatre," there seems to be some sort of Alinsky afoot to deny them.
Free speech rules.
LOL, sorry, I just spit on my monitor :)
What happened to civility around here? I think they like to be quoted in the MSM as the voice of reason in a nut house.
Now, here’s the core problem...
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Okay, as a general theme here, to my answers, and before I get into my answers, I will say that the general them is that the USA is under the judgment of God, right now, and it remains to be seen what the response of the USA will be to that judgment of God.
Its either going to be repentance or a further hardening of the hearts of the people of this country, as a nation.
That judgment of God upon the USA stems from some very specific and overt actions of the country, over decades, along with the general action of the abandonment of God in this nation.
Those specific actions that God is judging are the actions of the US in forcing the dividing of the land of Israel, the killing of 50 million kids over several decades, and the promoting of homosexuality and homosexual marriage in this country.
And, an *obvious result* of that judgment of God, is the sending, by God, President Obama, to be President over this land, in order to carry out Gods judgments upon this land. In other words, the people have voted to get the best government that they deserve and God has determined that the best deserved for this people of this land is President Obama. Obama is the judgment of God over the USA.
And remember, one does not *thwart* the judgment of God; that can never happen. So if someone thinks that they will get rid of Obama by trying to thwart His judgment and get rid of the President He put into place, they are sadly mistaken.
Theres only *one proven way* to thwart the judgment of God, and that is by the repentance of the nation (and as a nation).
At this point, Ill bring up another post I have done on this issue..., and the following is from another such post...
Now, God is a forgiving God, though, and if we *do listen* to an example of a previous President, this nation *may* find some grace from our Creator God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
BUT, without the requisite repentance, dont expect the grace of God upon this nation (although as individuals, we do live in Gods grace on our personal lives, in accepting the salvation offered by Him, through faith in Jesus, the Messiah of Israel...)
To see *how far the U.S. has fallen* from God and His righeousness..., just look at what Abraham Lincoln wrote...
The following is a national repentence thread.
Abraham Lincolns Word to the United States Today
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2232720/posts
[ This is Lincolns original proclamation, with only *four words* changed in *one phrase* (only)... The rest is the exact same proclamation, except for the dates adjusted, and thats all (and the note at the very bottom of the proclamation, the very last line...) ]
A Proclamation.
Whereas, the Senate of the United States, devoutly recognizing the Supreme Authority and just Government of Almighty God, in all the affairs of men and of nations, has, by a resolution, requested the President to designate and set apart a day for National prayer and humiliation.
And whereas it is the duty of nations as well as of men, to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions, in humble sorrow, yet with assured hope that genuine repentance will lead to mercy and pardon; and to recognize the sublime truth, announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord.
And, insomuch as we know that, by His divine law, nations like individuals are subjected to punishments and chastisements in this world, may we not justly fear that the awful calamity of economic and national collapse, which now desolates the land, may be but a punishment, inflicted upon us, for our presumptuous sins, to the needful end of our national reformation as a whole People? We have been the recipients of the choicest bounties of Heaven. We have been preserved, these many years, in peace and prosperity. We have grown in numbers, wealth and power, as no other nation has ever grown. But we have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in peace, and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us; and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us!
It behooves us then, to humble ourselves before the offended Power, to confess our national sins, and to pray for clemency and forgiveness.
Now, therefore, in compliance with the request, and fully concurring in the views of the Senate, I do, by this my proclamation, designate and set apart Thursday, the 30th. day of July, 2009, as a day of national humiliation, fasting and prayer. And I do hereby request all the People to abstain, on that day, from their ordinary secular pursuits, and to unite, at their several places of public worship and their respective homes, in keeping the day holy to the Lord, and devoted to the humble discharge of the religious duties proper to that solemn occasion.
All this being done, in sincerity and truth, let us then rest humbly in the hope authorized by the Divine teachings, that the united cry of the Nation will be heard on high, and answered with blessings, no less than the pardon of our national sins, and the restoration of our now divided and suffering Country, to its former happy condition of unity and peace.
In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.
Done at the City of Washington, this 12th day of April, in the year of our Lord two thousand and nine, and of the Independence of the United States the two hundred and thirty second.
By the President: Abraham Lincoln
Sent by the Word of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob
NOW..., as to whether the U.S. and its people *will do this* thats another question. I seriously doubt it so I think the judgment of God will *stay in place* and the U.S. is going down...
When are you going to answer my question?
Did you read the article at the top of this thread?
Well, I didn’t know we were being graded on grammar on Free Republic... I think I can direct you over to a few that need some serious help.... (even if I do need some... :-) ... ).
She's posting while Prozac'ing.
Yes. I told you he pulled it out of his ass. Produce the quotes from Fukino
You said — Geez, how boring can you get!
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Ummm..., if I’m boring, what does that make you for reading it, much less answering it... LOL...
Our constitution is not a bare document. There is a huge paper trail discussing the nuances of every sentence.
Natural born means both parents born here as citizens. That is why they had to exempt themselves. They didn’t qualify in most cases.
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