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JAMES TARANTO: It's certifiable: the last word on Obama's place of birth
The Wall Street Journal ^ | July 30, 2009 | JAMES TARANTO

Posted on 07/30/2009 5:06:48 PM PDT by curiosity

Several readers have written over the past few days taking us to task for dismissing so-called birthers as lunatics without bothering to refute their claims. We reluctantly concede their point. The birthers have managed to sow confusion in the minds of some who are not lunatics, and for the latter group’s benefit it is worth clarifying matters.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: afterbirthers; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; eligibility; kenya; kenyan; muslim; notanamerican; obama; obotsfreakout; rinoromney; romney; romney4obama; romneybot4obama; taranto
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To: curiosity

That clears that up.


141 posted on 07/30/2009 6:21:47 PM PDT by muddler
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To: zeestephen

GoldStandard sarcastically writes:
“Nope. I think [Taranto’s essay] was found at that bastion of leftism: the Wall Street Journal.”

Don’t think our friend would know a conservative opinion from his elbow, IMHO...


142 posted on 07/30/2009 6:22:32 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: curiosity
"Actually, it's helping him, but you can't see it because you refuse to look at the evidence objectively."

With the polling showing close to 60% and rising, beliving that he needs to come clean, how is that so?

143 posted on 07/30/2009 6:23:45 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Oh..., good to mention troll, some don’t know the Free Republic definition yet...


A troll is someone who disagrees with my opinion and says so


That’s the definition that works here on Free Republic without fail... LOL.. for everyone, at any time, on any thread, you name it....

It works for all FReepers... :-)


144 posted on 07/30/2009 6:23:50 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: curiosity
But the real question is: Why should he [release the original, long form, birth certificate]? The demand has no basis in principle and would have no practical benefit.

THEN PUT IT INTO LAW THAT ONLY LITTLE-PEOPLE AMERICAN CITIZENS ARE REQUIRED TO DO IT, OR ELSE -- WHILE OUR ELITE RULING CLASS CAN SAY "POUND SALT, SUCKERS."

All we are saying
is give release a chance.

145 posted on 07/30/2009 6:25:13 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Star Traveler
"While you’re running through these details, the majority of the conservatives in the GOP are *running for the exit doors* — on this issue... LOL..."

I don't see anything to "LOL" about. There are simply WAY too many things about Obama that "just don't add up".

146 posted on 07/30/2009 6:25:20 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: El Sordo
"Getting born in America to am American mother tends to do that for a person."

So far, no evidence indicating that has happened has been turned up.

147 posted on 07/30/2009 6:25:25 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: I am Richard Brandon
anti-birther movement is being centrally directed with strategy and talking points being distributed to the troops in a coordinated manner

The memo from the Hawaiian official who says Obama was born in Hawaii. It is a fact she wrote that, is reciting that memo a talking point? Or just annoying because it so unamibiguous and precludes any other interpretation?

148 posted on 07/30/2009 6:26:10 PM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Star Traveler

And some are not. Some posters here are both illogical and determined to exhibit a willful ignorance. Instead of arguing in a logical fashion they simply make accusations and hurl insults. This is the Alinsky-advocated tactic, is it not?


149 posted on 07/30/2009 6:26:18 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: SpaceBar; Star Traveler
You seem a little too concerned about us “birthers” looking foolish. Methinks you doth protest too much.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner here.

The time is coming when important people who cannot at this time join the birthers will say “Oh come on, these people are never going to shut up until they see the BC. So show it already so that we came move past this distraction (zero’s favorite word)”

The louder we scream the better. The more links we click on for BC stories (even if it is CNN) the better, the more posts we write the better. The media is stupid and slow but they are also cashed strapped. The bean counters will tell them that the advertisers like those clicks so if you want to have a slim chance as compared to none...run the damned story.

We are in a new age now. Bush bashers did not cost the Dems anything. We have a legitimate question that the left is attempting to quash by using our own nature against us. Conservatives don’t like to be painted as conspiracy theorists. Well hells bells asking for the same documents that every other president has provided when asked does not a conspiracy theory make. Anyone who wants to paint me as a tin foil lady can do so. It will not deter me.

As to the argument that birthers will hurt the GOP candidates, please spare me. This would require that the MSM report quite often on the BC issue. I seriously doubt that this will happen.

I repeat we are in a new age. So to speak the toothpaste will not go back in the tube. We have to demand the BC and discredit Zero on all fronts day in day out. We cannot be afraid to “get in peoples faces” on a digital level. PC crap is dead.

150 posted on 07/30/2009 6:27:06 PM PDT by lovesdogs (I will not lay down and die. This is my country and with God's help I will take it back.)
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To: AmericanVictory

She’s a representative for the State of Hawaii and its the State’s announcement and not her personal announcement. You’ll notice the letterhead with the State of Hawaii seal and the Governor’s name at the top. That means that the State of Hawaii went over every word of that statement and checked the facts and made sure that when the State of Hawaii spoke — everything was accurate, perfect and legal. Those State of Hawaii lawyers were probably hanging on each shoulder as they were all examining the documents... :-)

You can bet your sweet bippy... LOL..


151 posted on 07/30/2009 6:27:21 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: curiosity; pissant

It’s not helping him. Suring the time the BC story reappeared in the MSM (along with obozo “acting stupidly” and widespread dissent about obozocare) his poll numbers have been steadily dropping.

Nope, this isn’t helping him at all- that’s just spin.


152 posted on 07/30/2009 6:27:32 PM PDT by Canedawg ( "Government cant make you happy or healthy or wealthy or wise." - S. Palin)
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To: curiosity

Curiosity...

Here is what I’d have him do.

Open up his college records, open up the way in which his school was paid for, open the discussion on him once being a Muslim as his early schools have communicated, and when that ended, open up and discuss why his Grandmother said she was at his birth in Kenya, and ask why in the hell we don’t for every president have a birth certificate on record for the public view. America has already said it doesn’t care about him attending a hate spewing church for two decades... jeez we’re likely not to care about any of the above anyway.

My belief is he is an opportunist who may have taken advantage of his race and immigration status to get whatever he felt he could. If he had scholarships... why? Based on what performance?

But hey why should we care right? I mean he is the freaking elected president? Bah, just give him the codes and let him fast track what he’s proven he’s for... namely the “Changing” of America... from a Great nation, to a “De-Developed” country, and apologizing for the greatness that America has held for the last century, of course at the cost of all those poor world citizens(And Kenyan’s) he cares so deeply about.

Now go take yo


153 posted on 07/30/2009 6:27:40 PM PDT by light-bulb (Plures efficimur quotiens metimur a vobis; semen est sanguis Christianorum)
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To: curiosity
[Obama's] supporters use the birthers to paint Obama foes as racist

Since when have liberals needed a reason?

154 posted on 07/30/2009 6:27:59 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: loreldan

Probably because you have not educated yourself on the subject and would rather characterize people based on ignorance. But how do you characterize the resistance of the man in the White House to reveal what at least would be the beginning of being able to fairly examine the questions raised at such great expense to his funds, foreign-donated though some substantial portion of them may be?


155 posted on 07/30/2009 6:28:47 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: rxsid

HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN’S STATUS BE “GOVERNED” BY GREAT BRITAIN (From Birth)?


156 posted on 07/30/2009 6:29:08 PM PDT by rxsid
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To: Canedawg

Spin by those who long for Obama to be legit and honest. LOL


157 posted on 07/30/2009 6:29:22 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: editor-surveyor
Uncuriosity: "Actually, it's helping him, but you can't see it because you refuse to look at the evidence objectively."

With the polling showing close to 60% and rising, beliving that he needs to come clean, how is that so?

It's the leftist idiotic talking point with no basis in support. As you point out people want to see his hidden records, while his poll number continue to crater 48% according to Rasmussen today.

158 posted on 07/30/2009 6:29:31 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: editor-surveyor
"Where did all you left wing noobies sprout from?"

This issue is exploding in their faces. Containment has failed, they're on the ridicule tack now. The trolling Obama rumpswabs are failing at that too.
159 posted on 07/30/2009 6:30:02 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: El Sordo
El Sordo,

As my archive will confirm, I am a “Birther” who believes that Obama was born in Hawaii.

I want Obama’s 1961 “Long Form” Hawaii birth certificate released for two reasons:

First, the “Long Form” can be legally “altered.”

There is a box (#32, as I recall) were all legal “alterations” are listed, explained, and certified.

The “Short Form” does not designate any information that may have been legally “altered.”

If there were legal “alterations” to Obama’s “Long Form,” I want to read them.

Second, the “Long Form” lists the specific location of, and witnesses to, Obama’s birth.

In 1961 Obama’s mother could have taken baby Obama to the Hawaii Department of Health and claimed that Obama was born at home, on a specific date, and that no medical professionals were present.

Based solely on her testimony, Obama’s mother would have been issued a “Long Form” birth certificate.

That information would be present on Obama’s “Long Form.”

It would not be present on Obama’s “Short Form.”

I am not suggesting that happened.

But the very possibility that it could have happened means that Obama must release his “Long Form.”

160 posted on 07/30/2009 6:30:51 PM PDT by zeestephen
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