Suborned in the U.S.A. - The birth-certificate controversy is about Obama’s honesty...

National Review ^ | 7/30/09 | Andy McCarthy

[pissant]

Throughout the 2008 campaign, Barack Hussein Obama claimed it was a “smear” to refer to him as “Barack Hussein Obama.” The candidate had initially rhapsodized over how his middle name, the name of the prophet Mohammed’s grandson, would signal a new beginning in American relations with the Muslim world. But when the nomination fight intensified, Obama decided that Islamic heritage was a net negative. So, with a media reliably uncurious about political biographies outside metropolitan Wasilla, Obama did what Obama always does: He airbrushed his personal history on the fly.

Suddenly, it was “just making stuff up,” as Obama put it, for questioners “to say that, you know, maybe he’s got Muslim connections.” “The only connection I’ve had to Islam,” the candidate insisted, “is that my grandfather on my father’s side came from [Kenya]. But I’ve never practiced Islam.” Forget about “Hussein”; the mere mention of Obama’s middle initial — “H” — riled the famously thin-skinned senator. Supporters charged that “shadowy attackers” were “lying about Barack’s religion, claiming he is a Muslim.” The Obamedia division at USA Today, in a report subtly titled “Obama’s grandma slams ‘untruths,’” went so far as to claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother is a Christian — even though a year earlier, when Obama’s “flaunt Muslim ties” script was still operative, the New York Times had described the same woman, 85-year-old Sara Hussein Obama, as a “lifelong Muslim” who proclaimed, “I am a strong believer of the Islamic faith.”

[greyfoxx39]

If you never read another article about Zero, read this one all the way through!

[spacejunkie01]

Why do so many people give Hillary Clinton SO MUCH CREDIT???? She couldn’t even win against a community organizer without a past and yet, we keep hearing from people, even Ann Coulter for God’s sake, that say if she didn’t turn it up, it’s not there.

Good grief...this is one of the lamest arguements I’ve ever read!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Smokeyblue]

Great article.

Of interest from the article.

“Stanley Ann Dunham, married an Indonesian Muslim, Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo”

I don’t recall ever seeing the last name Mangunharjo before. That name should be included in everyone’s search for Obama records and certificates.

[SE Mom]

Don’t miss this piece- read it all!

[Fantasywriter]

Ultimately it is a question of whether he is a king/emperor who is above the petty need to respond to his ‘subjects’, or whether he is a public servant, whose salary is paid by the voters, and who should answer to his constituents. I think the idea of his snobbishness took hold with the way he sided, facts unseen, with the Harvard elite Gates over the workingman Crowley. People are starting to wake up.

[PA-RIVER]

McCain had about 6 months to uncover who this dirtbag is.

But all McCain had to say is that Obama would be a good president. Pathetic. Disgusting.

We have virtually nothing as far as documentation as to who this guy is. McCain and his inner circle never did their job.

[mikelets456]

Name calling is what Liberals/Marxists do when they have no answer...that is a good tip to live by. Reason? Then you know you are getting your point across.

I learned this when we had a problem with a GAY video being shown to 3rd graders. The more we were called “bigots, racists and Bible thumpers” the more I knew we were headed in the right direction. I can not believe that people fall for these “scare tactics”. All it did was motivated us more to remove this crap....and it finally was. Thanks to God!!

[hoosiermama]

Already did and sent Andy an email thanking her.

[nathanbedford]

Yesterday, I posted the following reply which I make bold to post again because it expands on the author's conclusion that Obama was in all likelihood born in Hawaii. More importantly, it justifies the entire inquiry into the birth certificate not just because of the collateral information obtained, but on the merits of the controversy itself as they were then known. It is the new information rather than the absence of any grounds for the original investigation which lead one now to conclude that likelihood is that Obama was born in Hawaii. The investigation was it remains justified in not "nutty." Finally, in anticipation of the author's defense of his investigation on the grounds that it exposes Obama's lies, I suggested at the foot of the reply that the investigation ought to be continued, under a different rationale, because it stands as a metaphor for the chicanery and radicalism of the individual.

The idea expressed by the author that the birthers are irrational is ignorant. Invariably these charges are accompanied by a declaration that Barack Obama has already produced his birth certificate and it shows that he was born in Hawaii in 1961. This, as we all know, is what Obama has not produced. He has produced not a Birth Certificate but a Certification of Live Birth. The essence of the birthers position is that under Hawaii law a Certification of Live Birth could have been issued for Barack Obama even though his Kenyan birth certificate showed the location of his birth to be Kenya, so long as his mother averred that she was a resident of Hawaii for one year preceding the birth.

On October 31st 2008 Doctor Fukino issued the following press release:

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

At the very minimum, the competent state official in Hawaii confirms that the original birth certificate is on record as at October 31, 2008. Yet many objected that the official did not explicitly state that Obama was born in Hawaii. Moreover, the statement only avers that the underlying birth certificate is in accordance with "state policies and procedures." Those policies and procedures say the birthers would be to accept the Kenyan birth certificate and issue a certificate of live birth showing birth in Hawaii. Now Doctor Fukino explicitly states that Obama was born in Hawaii and that fact is recorded in the "vital records":

I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."

Now many complain that Doctor Fukino does not recite that she examined the underlying birth certificate but only some "vital records" which could mean something apart from the original long form birth certificate. Unfortunately for this quibble, Doctor Fukino explicitly refers back to her October 2008 statement. That is significant because that statement says explicitly that the original Birth Certificate is on record. Therefore, no reasonable reader can conclude otherwise than that the competent state official of Hawaii is affirming that the original birth certificate, which is in the file and which she has personally examined in the presence of another official, says that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Either you must believe she is lying, or that she is so stupid she cannot recognize a document common to her job description, or she saw an original birth certificate that says he was born in Hawaii.

There was evidence on the Internet in the form of the YouTube audio of a telephone conversation through a translator with Barack Obama's grandmother in Kenya in which it was said in the audio presented that Barack was born in Kenya and that she was present at the birth. The audio presentation terminated abruptly at this point. Very recently another audio presentation appeared on YouTube which extended that conversation and it was made perfectly clear that the grandmother was confused and recanted, saying that Barack Obama was not in fact born in Kenya but born in Hawaii.

In the absence of such evidence of foreign birth, we are left to spin a series of scenarios because we believe the underlying birth certificate does not show that he was born in Hawaii. But now that thin reed has been dealt a heavy blow by the state of Hawaii. We actually have no reason whatsoever to believe that he was born in Kenya. We actually have no reason to disbelieve that he was born in Hawaii, except the inexplicable fact that he will not give up his birth certificate. Against that we have a certain amount of evidence both documentary and confirmatory that he was indeed born in Hawaii.

I am unaware of any affirmative evidence that Obama was born anywhere except Hawaii. I am not so solilsciptic to believe that if I don't know if it does not exist, therefore, I invite anyone with affirmative evidence of foreign birth for Barack Obama to state it now. In the absence of such a forthcoming, we are reduced to drawing inferences from his refusal to release his birth certificate. But those inferences have been substantially weakened by the statement of the officials of the state of Hawaii. In any case, there are other inferences which could be as readily drawn from Obama's refusal to release the document besides a motive to cover up a foreign birth. (The author recounts is impossible reasons apart from foreign birth in his article.)

We are left with drawing a damning inference, no more warranted than many others, from a document we haven't seen, which officials declare says the opposite of what we contend, which Obama has not released but which he is under no obligation to release. This soup is too thin and it verges on tinfoil hat territory.

In the absence of any affirmative evidence of foreign birth, and in view of the status of the officials of the state of Hawaii that they have examined the underlying birth certificate and it shows a birth in Hawaii, I think the air has gone out of the birthers' balloon.

But that is a very different thing from saying, as many do, that the birthers investigation was always nutty. It was not. Before the second revelation by the officials of the state of Hawaii cleared up the contents of the actual birth certificate, one was free to infer that Barack Obama's birth certificate would show a foreign birth. Likewise, so long as the YouTube version of grandma's statement had her saying that he was born in Kenya, there was proof, albeit questionable, of foreign birth. That proof has also been swept away. No one can say that while these two misapprehensions existed, the birther movement was "nutty."

What to do now in view of changed circumstances?

The momentum should not be lost but the thrust now should be to portray Barack Obama not as a counterfeit Natural Born Citizen but as a mountebank with a shadowy history which he refuses to illuminate by releasing records of his birth, his passports, his transcripts, his employment and practice. This should be tied in with showing that Obama is a radical socialist, a man with deep and intimate associations with Communists and a paper trail, as much as can be discovered, revealing a man who himself is a Manchurian Marxist. The unaccountable secrecy about his birth is symbolic of his secrecy about his radical associations. Any criticism of the investigation into the birth of Barack Obama should properly be blamed on the paranoia of the man himself who has unaccountably shrouded himself in secrecy. If he is not hiding his place of birth what is he hiding?

[mikelets456]

Dude chill....we all have the same common interest:
-preserving our God given freedoms.

Arguing over points like this get us no where. We all need to stick together...

[McGruff]

There’s speculation out there from the former CIA officer Larry Johnson — who is no right-winger and is convinced the president was born in Hawaii — that the full state records would probably show Obama was adopted by the Indonesian Muslim Lolo Soetoro and became formally known as “Barry Soetoro.” Obama may have wanted that suppressed for a host of reasons: issues about his citizenship, questions about his name (it’s been claimed that Obama represented in his application to the Illinois bar that he had never been known by any name other than Barack Obama), and the undermining of his (false) claim of remoteness from Islam. Is that true? I don’t know and neither do you.

http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=ZmJhMzlmZWFhOTQ3YjUxMDE2YWY4ZDMzZjZlYTVmZmU= Printable copy (whole article)

The truth is out there somewhere.

[SE Mom]

Excellent- so did I! He’s one of the brightest minds on the right.

[Ann Archy]

OMG!! The great LEGAL mind of Andy McCarthy MIGHT get thru to the knuckleheads like Hugh Hewitt, Michael Medved, Ann Coulter, Rich Lowry, Andy;s boss.....etc. on this matter.......SHOW US THE LONG FORM CERTIFICATE....NOT the SHORT FORM CERTIFICATION!!!!

Thank you Andy!

[muddler]

“What is your problem with people that find it strange that Obozo refuses to show his birth certificate?”

It isn’t just his apparent lack of a birth cert.
It’s his complete lack of any history.

Is there a single American politician that we know less about?

Why is that?

[pissant]

Well done. I say we go after him on all fronts for all reasons. The Nathan Bedford justification, the McCarthy justification, the Dobbs justification and the Pissant justification. The bottom line is he is a deceiver. I too believe it likely he was born in the states, though not 100% convinced. I am however, 1000% convinced he is lying about his birth circumstances in some manner. And the carefully worded Kukino statements do nothing to change that certainty.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2304170/posts

[Ann Archy]

What about HISTORIANS???? Are they just going to REPEAT BAmmy’s BOOKS Details??? Don;t THEY want to know???

[bmwcyle]

These are things best discovered under oath in a court of law that Obama has spent over 1 million dollars to prevent. We don't need new laws to have candidates prove any thing. We are suppose to have a court system to defend and uphold the Constitution. We seem to have lost that "Right of the People". Now we have rights never defined.

[joygrace]

"..snip...I can not believe that people fall for these “scare tactics”. All it did was motivated us more to remove this crap....and it finally was. Thanks to God!!"

The real leader of the Conservative/Republican movement will be the person who does not back down when these "scare tactics" are hurled.

Perhaps it will be Palin.If Palin can call the Liberals on this Alinsky tactic for what it is...it is a scare tactic not based on reality or the truth. Debunk it. She needs to use their ridicule on her and turn in around and use it against them.

Alinsky believes there is no defense against ridicule. I think there is. I think it is the courage to stand up against the ridicule and tell the truth and expose the ridicule for what it is. It is a defensive weak way to hide from the truth and manipulate Americans.

Expose their tactics and use the truth to expose them.

[Ann Archy]

Good point! I hve never seen that name beofre either!! Our “reporters” are the LAZIEST, MOST UN-CURIOUS group of people ever.

[nathanbedford]

Agreed on all counts.