Posted on 07/28/2009 5:29:21 AM PDT by reaganaut1
Pres. Barack Obama has a birthday coming up, a week from Tuesday. We hope he takes the day offor even the whole week, the briefest of respites from his busy schedule of truncating our liberties while exhausting both the public coffers and our patience. The presidents birthday comes to mind because we recently spent some time looking at a photograph of his birth certificate, being held by Joe Miller of Factcheck.org, who took the time to examine it. President Obama was born on August 4, 1961, at 7:24 p.m, in Honolulu County, Hawaii, on the island of Oahu. The serial number on his birth certificate is 010641. Baby Baracks birth was not heralded, as some of his partisans have suggested, by a star in the east, but it was heralded by the Honolulu Star, as well as the Honolulu Advertiser, each of which published birth announcements for young Mr. Obama.
Much foolishness has become attached to the question of President Obamas place of birth, and a few misguided souls among the Right have indulged it. The myth that Barack Obama is ineligible to be president represents the hunt for a magic bullet that will make all the unpleasant complications of his election and presidency disappear. We are used to seeing conspiracy theories from the Left, for instance among the one in three Democrats who believe that 9/11 was an inside job conducted with the foreknowledge of the Bush administration. Weve seen everything under the sun blamed on Dick Cheney and Halliburton, and Rosie ODonnell has given us much mirth with her metallurgical expertise, while Andrew Sullivan has beclowned himself and tarnished the good name of The Atlantic with his investigation into the real parentage of Trig Palin. Most notable, the Iraq War summoned the craziness in a big way, and there are those who still shudder over their espressos at the mention of the Carlyle Group. And there is a fair amount of crossover between those fixated on Obamas birth certificate and the 9/11 truthers lawyer Phil Berg, for instance, is a player in both worlds. There is nothing that President Obamas coterie would enjoy more than to see the responsible Right become a mirror image of the loopy Left circa 2003.
The birth-certificate business is not a uniquely conservative phenomenon; the allegation that Obama was born in Kenya seems to have originated with a Hillary Clinton supporter at a blog called The Blue State. Either way, this fantasy is not particularly widespread within the conservative movement, but it has attracted enough interest that it needs to be addressed.
The fundamental fiction is that Obama has refused to release his real birth certificate. This is untrue. The document that Obama has made available is the document that Hawaiian authorities issue when they are asked for a birth certificate. There is no secondary document cloaked in darkness, only the state records that are used to generate birth certificates when they are requested.
If one applies for a United States passport, the passport office will demand a birth certificate. It defines this as an official document bearing your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records. The Hawaiian birth certificate President Obama has producedthe document is formally known as a certificate of live birthbears that information. It has been inspected by reporters, and several state officials have confirmed that the information in permanent state records is identical to that on the presidents birth certificatewhich is precisely what one expects, of course, since the state records are used to generate those documents when they are requested. In other words, what President Obama has produced is the real birth certificate of myth and lore. The director of Hawaiis health department and the registrar of records each has personally verified that the information on Obamas birth certificate is identical to that in the states records, the so-called vault copy. Given that fact, we are loath even to engage the fanciful notion that President Obama was born elsewhere, contrary to the information on his birth certificate, but we note for the record that his mother was a native of Kansas, whose residents have been citizens of the United States for a very long time, and whose children are citizens of the United States as well.
The attention paid to President Obamas place of birth is not unprecedented. In fact, it may be the only thing President Obama has in common with Pres. Chester Arthur, whose opponents whispered that he had been born in Canada. A number of unsuccessful presidential candidatesGeorge Romney, Barry Goldwater, and Lowell Weicker among themactually were born outside of the United States (in Mexico, the Arizona Territory, and Paris, respectively) to American parents and thereby into American citizenship. If the conspiracy theorists have evidence that President Obama went through the naturalization process, let them show it. But there is no such evidence, because this theory is based on unreality, as two minutes examining the claims of its proponents reveals. The hallmark of a conspiracy theory is that a lack of evidence for the theory is taken as yet more evidence for the theory. Indeed, the maddening thing about dealing with conspiracy hobbyists of this or any sort is the ever-shifting nature of their argument and their alleged evidence: Never mind the birth certificate, his step-grandmother said he was born in Kenya! (No, she didnt.)
One of the unfortunate consequences of this red-herring discussion is that there are plenty of questions about Obamas background and history that we would like to have answered. In spite of two books of memoirs, there remain murky areas in his biography. And when it comes to those college transcripts, count us among those whod love to know whether Dr. Bailout ever took an advanced economics class and how he performed in it.
Barack Obama may prefer European-style socialized health care. He may consider himself a citizen of the Earth and sometimes address his audiences as people of the world, as though he were born not in another country but on another planet. Like Bruce Springsteen, he has a lot of bad political ideas; but he was born in the U.S.A.
Here is another doosey for you. You can go to the State Dept. website for verification.
While a parent cannot renounce a minor’s citizenship per say, once the minor is 18, he has 6 months from his birthday to reclaim his full citizenship. If Obama, after the age of 18, traveled or used his Indonesian citizenship for a passport or to obtain scholarships and financial aid as a foreigner, then if you ask me he’s toast.
“Instead he lets an officer not go on deployment.”
And gets the guy fired.
“Why did he issue an executive order his first day in office sealing all his records, college, birth, everything! You brown nose clowns over there arent curious about any of this?”
I agree. I’m even MORE interested in the lockdown on all documents and paper trail than I am on the BC at this point. You’d think this guy would be PROUD of his glowing past that the SRM keeps telling us about.
Either way, he’s no American.
Please explain how some proposed state bill that may or may not ever become law before or after 2012 has any significance on the 2008 election and current presidency? That, my FRiend, is smoke and mirrors and a major distraction. Better yet, how about we just abide by the laws already on the books, i.e. the Constitution of the United States?
Exactly. How will we deal with this Constitutional provision in the future? Candidates for POTUS should be immediately required to show a valid Birth Certificate (in my mind that the Long Form for the state of Hawaii in particular, because of their weird laws) and other records, as you would have to for any responsible job in the land.
Those of you who think this is a kook issue, disregard the Constitution. That is reason enough to pursue it, at least persistently (not obsessively.)
What else in the Constitution do you not care about?
“The one that I recently got from Tennessee, to apply for social security, is a copy of my original CERTIFICATE, photocopied onto a CERTIFICATION form”
Then you have a photocopy of the certificate which certifies, provides certification.
All certificates certify, are certifications.
The bureaucrats that invented a distinction between “certificate” and “certification” are illiterate.
If a certain piece of paper is a copy of an original certificate, call it that: a “copy of the certificate.” (I’m speaking to the bureaucrats here, not to you.)
If it does not certify because it is a copy, say so, but then don’t call it a certification.
There is absolutely no linguistic difference between certificate and certification.
That bureaucrats have invented such a distinction is not surprising. It contributes to the confusion.
No genuine certificate that does not certify (that does not provide certification) is imaginable. No certification that does not involve some kind of certificate is imaginable.
Now, “certificates” or “certification-providing documents” are usually hard copy, paper (but formerly were on vellum and today can be “virtualized” in digital form, capable of transfer to paper).
“Document” for most people means a hard copy on paper. But the word itself merely means “something that shows proof.” (My guess, without looking it up, is that document ultimately has Greek roots and certificate only Latin roots but both are used in Latin and mean roughly the same thing.)
So bureacrats, stuck on the idea that “certificate” and “document” mean paper, invent the idea that “certification” is different from “certificate”—sort of like certification is the act of certifying (which merely means “making certain, putting doubts to rest”). But how does one go about certifying? By issuing certificates. The photocopy of an original certificate is also a certificate. How much legal authority (how much “certificatory power” or how much “certificationnness”) it possesses may vary depending on circumstances.
I don’t doubt that bureaucrats make these distinctions, but they would help themselves a lot if they just added modifiers to “certificate” (”copy of the original certificate” “legally valid copy of the original certificate” or “non-legally valid copy . . . “ or “secondary certificate” or “derived certification”) or used an entirely different word to show that the copy is not of equal certificational value to the original, if indeed it is not. But some copies of some documents are of equal documentary value as the original, that is, they are equal certifications, equally certificates, certify certificationally equally.
Yes, the desire to apply the “kook” label is the only reason the MSM would touch this topic. However, I have to wonder if Dems and even MSM secretly wonder and even skulk onto the Internet when no one’s looking. Oh, they’d never admit it, but people HAVE to be scratching their heads and at least wondering, “Wow, could there by some validity to this lockdown of our messiah’s past?”
Great quotes. Anyway let the court decide. Alan has standing, just let him have his discovery and let a jury decide. BTW many liberals claimed McCain wasn’t and still isn’t eligible to be president. We have his long form birth certificate.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697
You MUST read this document to understand the issues! It outlines the 4 ways to get a birth certificate in hawaii. And it indicates to me it is ridiculously easy to falsely get one in one way or another.
The above document MUST go viral.
I was directed to this document by http://rovingpatrol.wordpress.com.
It was written by a retired CIA agent in December ‘08 and revised in July 21, ‘09. The conclusion: He must show his original birth certificate to understand what any of the current hawaiin documents mean.
Read ALL the above, and from it i quote:
But whether it is called (as it was last year) a Certification or (as it is now) a Certificate of Live Birth this abbreviated document provides none of the probative information that was or wasnt on Barack Obamas original Certificate of Live Birth. Unlike the Certificate of Live Birth of the time when Barack Obama was born, this new Certificate of Live Birth provides no real evidence of where a child was born or indication of where such evidence might be found. It provides no information that would demonstrate to the people of the United States whether there is convincing evidence that he was actually born here or whether a relative or two (OR POSSIBLY EVEN BARACK OBAMA HIMSELF) just made a statement to that effect to a low level bureaucrat. (As is permitted under Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii.)
Just as an aside, Hawaii recently announced “Barrack Obama” is a natural born citizen, etc. Read the name again. Is it lawyerish hedging, or just an error??? “Barrack” does not equal “Barack”
No, No, you CANNOT simply dismiss obama’s eligibility question as this national review article is trying to do. To much doesn’t jive. Way, way to much. If it did, the orginal birth certificate would have been presented. There would be no testimony he was born in Kenya, his sister would agree to the one hospital he was born in, etc. This is the most unknown, checkered past president we have ever had and we are getting SHIT for an answer from him. We shouldn’t have to go to hawaii and talk with them about this or get their carefully crafted press releases. the president alone should answer to the people!
“Im even MORE interested in the lockdown on all documents and paper trail than I am on the BC at this point. Youd think this guy would be PROUD of his glowing past that the SRM keeps telling us about.”
Yep! And I want to know a whole lot more about the passport break-in that happened during the election. His people were trying to “cauterize” his records.
THESE WERE HIS PEOPLE WHO BROKE-IN!!! WHY?????
This is simply not true. My niece just received a passport in Seattle with her COLB. She was born in Indonesia when my sister and BIL were there for 18 months for his job.
Her COBL does not list any parents at all. We didn't think she'd be able to get a passport using this document but it was no problem....just sayin'
And riddle me this...no one yet has come up with an answer to the question, Why is Obama spending soooo much money on lawyers to stop people from asking questions and why rescend orders for the Major called to active duty then get him fired from his full time job instead of producing a document?
Things that make you go hmmmm....
Excuse me? Maybe you should read my post again.
See Post Number 39 for a copy of a real State of Hawaii “Certificate of Live Birth” produced in Feb 1962. Be sure to look at all of the data fields/boxes. This document was signed and State embossed sealed by the then Director of Health for the State of Hawaii.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2147794/posts
The Constitution is far more threatened by Obama's policies than by the vague circumstances of his life and birth. That is where we must expend our energies, rather than on chasing after elusive documentation that the Left and their news media accomplices are using to distract us and make us look foolish.
I read this and that the birth was listed in two newspapers
seems to end the argument.
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What? Hawaii allowed a COLB to be issued under broad circumstances.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM
The newspaper announcements:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83851
“Baro’s investigators were unable to locate any current or past resident of Kalanianaole Highway who could recall Obama or his family living at the address listed in the Sunday Advertiser announcement.
Baro also sent investigators to the newspaper offices to examine files, but the Advertiser could not confirm who actually placed the ad.”
Easily, the grandparents could have issued the birth announcements (they happened 9 days after the reported birth date). Once the COLB was achieved, the birth announcements could easily have followed.
Why? The benefits of US citizenship. This is not rocket science, and it wouldn’t have taken some silly foresight into the knowledge that ‘someday little Barack will run for POTUS.’
Nope, they just wanted him to the have the advantages of US citizenship - like millions of other people would love to have...
I'm way past the cute baby footprint and the little blue ribboned seal and the doctor's signature. He and his minions have already proven they are not above forging documents. He's already admitted his father was Kenyan, so that in itself throws out any eligibility. No, I want a heck of a lot more proof of who he really is and who he's played himself off to be.
Conservatives are intelligent enough to multi-task
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