Posted on 07/25/2009 10:11:21 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Life is not a naturalistic phenomenon with unlimited evolutionary potential as Darwin proposed. It is intelligently designed, ruled by immutable laws, and survives only because it has a built-in facilitated variation mechanism for continually adapting to internal and external challenges and changes. The essential components are: functional molecular architecture and machinery, modular switching cascades that control the machinery and a signal network that coordinates everything. All three are required for survival, so they must have been present from the beginning—a conclusion that demands intelligent design. Life’s built-in ability to adapt and diversify looks like Darwinian evolution, but it is not. Darwin’s theory of speciation via natural selection of natural variation is correct in principle, but it cannot be extrapolated to universal ancestry. What we see instead is different kinds of organisms having been designed for different kinds of lifestyles, with enormous potential for diversification built-in at the beginning, but with time this potential for diversification has become depleted by selection and degraded by mutations so that we are now rapidly heading towards extinction. Intelligent design and rapid decay point to recent Creation and Fall, as the Bible tells us....
(Excerpt) Read more at creation.com ...
You might have noticed the two recent FR threads, "Evolutionary Arrogance" and "Are Evolutionists Delusional (or just in denial)?" Your persecution complex is unsupported by the facts.
Who is this “you people” who are haters and vicious? There’s a variety of people posting here.
Oh that “liberal” Madison, he must have just been “claiming” to be a Christian as well....
“What influence in fact have ecclesiastical establishments had on Civil Society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the Civil authority; in many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny: in no instance have they been seen the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty, may have found an established Clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just Government instituted to secure & perpetuate it needs them not. Such a Government will be best supported by protecting every Citizen in the enjoyment of his Religion with the same equal hand which protects his person and his property; by neither invading the equal rights of any Sect, nor suffering any Sect to invade those of another.”
Sort of like ACORN and Rev. Wright, and Wm. Ayers?
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and i’m one of them. I am an “evo”. i have never made a bad remark about...”Crevos”, I guess. All I’ve seen is that anyone who believes in evolution is a bad guy. so I don’t see how you can be so indignant. And to repeat, this is the first discussion I’ve had about this in over 10 yrs of posting here.
The Constitution does not demand that religion be kept out of the public schools. At one time public schools opened every day with Bible reading and prayer until groups like the ACLU forced it out through litigation.
The conservative position is to allow the free exercise thereof.
I have already posted a couple of times the Department of Education guidelines for the exercise of religion in public schools. As is typical, you never addressed them and are now pretending they don't exist. Once again, there are plenty of opportunities for the free exercise of religion in the schools--just not for the forcing of your religion on everyone else, which is what you really want:
...students do not "shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate,"..."nothing in the Constitution ... prohibits any public school student from voluntarily praying at any time before, during, or after the school day," and students may pray with fellow students during the school day on the same terms and conditions that they may engage in other conversation or speech. Likewise, local school authorities possess substantial discretion to impose rules of order and pedagogical restrictions on student activities, but they may not structure or administer such rules to discriminate against student prayer or religious speech....students may read their Bibles or other scriptures, say grace before meals, and pray or study religious materials with fellow students during recess, the lunch hour, or other noninstructional time to the same extent that they may engage in nonreligious activities....
Students may organize prayer groups, religious clubs, and "see you at the pole" gatherings before school to the same extent that students are permitted to organize other non-curricular student activities groups. Such groups must be given the same access to school facilities for assembling as is given to other non-curricular groups...where student groups that meet for nonreligious activities are permitted to advertise or announce their meetings—for example, by advertising in a student newspaper, making announcements on a student activities bulletin board or public address system, or handing out leaflets—school authorities may not discriminate against groups who meet to pray.
Cheers.
i rest my case
I’m not sure what your case was but maybe it can have an iced tea and put its feet up to rest.
My case was the you couldn’t anwser me without taking a shot at the “Darwinist camp” of which I’m nt even sure I’m a member. Even your reply to that had questionble implications. Can’t you just be nice, or are all the people you think disagree with you evil?
Yup...alot more actually.
Ask the evolutionists.
Look at who is calling who *creatards*, IDiots*, *islamists*, theocrats*.
Take a hike over to DC is you want to feel the love, or LGF, or any other evolutionist site.
Here’s a link to a creationist website. Get back to me with links to the hate.
Wow...it’s the evolutionists that attack and hijack the legal system to squash and shut down debate. One peek at Chrissy Fit Matthews ridiculing people that don’t submit to godless liberalsim shows any thinking person where the hate is coming from with his “settled science” drivel and spittle.
Creationists are just sick and tired of it, frankly. FINALLY.
There was no “shot” at anyone, I said insults flow freely from the Darwinist camp too and if you need to see that for yourself I'll point to the examples.
Who have I been “UN nice” to? Or is that the same as “questionable implications”?
Still waiting to see some quotes.
Oh well, so much for that. Do as I say not as I do right allmendream?
The difference between me and you is I’m consistent and coherent.
Sorry, but that’s simply the way it is, and more than a handful of people have pointed out your incoherency on more than one occasion, see that’s a YOU problem, so YOU will be the one that has to deal with that, not me.
And you've been shown dozens of times that liberals ignore the rules, but are really good at setting up rules for everyone else.
There have been literally dozens and dozens and dozens of links posted on this site about kids being told this is no place for "THAT" book (Bible) or Christmas trees banned but other religious symbols allowed and on and on and on.
Because I exercise my rights doesn't mean I'm forcing my religion down your throat...if anything liberal lunatic secuar humanists hijacking the legal system to indoctrinate children via the NEA, ACLU are the ones forcing themselves on others.
And frankly folks are getting fed up. From Mt. Soledad in the west to William and Mary in the east.
Get used to the push back already!
You think that it is the governments job to instruct children in religion and I do not.
You think you can determine who is a REAL Christian and who is not based upon this political difference and I do not.
I’ll have to refer you to post #132...it seems you’re reacting to the responses to this very behavior.
There was a time when schools opened with prayer and so on...where God wasn’t stomped out of publc schools, and not only in schools but all of public in general.
Viciously.
Did you know that or just miss it?
How is it that people freely exercising their religious beliefs in ANY setting, like opening the day with prayer, swomehow “a governmental teaching of religion in public schools”?
Sheesh, the public schools don’t teach as it is currently, they’re merely indoctrinated into secular humanism...
and how’s THAT working out for you?
BTW...show me the supposed “vicious hate” you’re talking about.
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