FR discussion: Obama birth announcement in Honolulu paper, a must read (read it all, esp the end)

[cycle of discernment]

The Obama birth announcement placed in Honolulu paper

Interesting discussion from FR:

"Re: I listened to Michael Medved today. he said that they found Obamas birth announcement in an old Honolulu newspaper. This is the first I had heard of this. Any truth to it?

A little.

My understanding is that the "birth announcement" was on microfilm/fiche from the Honolulu public library microfilm of a notice placed in the Sunday Advertiser Aug. 13, 1961. The announcement in the "Births, Marriages, Death" section read: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4."

From another poster:

It means absolutely nothing. The births are reported to the paper from the Department of Health. Once a BC is registered the info is sent to the DOH. The DOH in turn releases the info to the newspapers ( that can be seen on one of the newspapers at the top. It says Statistics from Department of Health )

In 1961, a relative could have registered the birth while he ws still out of the country. That can be seen on line 18a of the 1963 BC that is available online . The 1961 followed the same format. Once registered, the info goes to DOH, which in turn sends it to the newspapers. Thus the announcement.

From another poster:

Why would anyone do that? The newspaper announcement is good enough for anyone not wearing the tinfoil hat.

From another:

Why are you saying Good Grief. That was the process back then ( and possibly the same now ). Births are reproted to the papers from the Department of Health, not the hospitals. The hospitals send their info to the Department of Health.

From another:

I am not saying there was no birth to report. Just no Local birth ( the announcement doesn’t say where he was born ). Once a birth is registered ( and it could be done by a relative ) that info is sent to the DOH. The DOH in turn releases the info to the papers. The name of the parents, the child and their address - all info from the registration.

From another:

Yup. I'd like to see anyone when asked to produce their BC for official identification purposes to pull out a newspaper clipping and see how far it gets them.

From another:

“Why would anyone do that? The newspaper announcement is good enough for anyone not wearing the tinfoil hat”

So that means it should be acceptable for Social Security, getting a passport , or any other official use... try it and let us know how it works.

From another:

“Why would anyone do that? The newspaper announcement is good enough for anyone not wearing the tinfoil hat”

are you kidding? To get the benefits of being an US citizen. His teenage mother wasnt stupid.

From another:

Old news. The announcement does not say where he was born, and it appeared in the paper when he was about one year old.

From another:

Remember Occam’s Razor.

From another:

It hs all the significance of an engagement announcement...a feel good filler.

From another:

“Why would anyone do that? The newspaper announcement is good enough for anyone not wearing the tinfoil hat”

We know now that anyone could file for a bc for their baby in 1961 by just giving an address and saying they lived in Hawaii for a year so it doesn't tell us much. the address not matching up is strange.

From another:

How does July 22, 2008 sound as the birth announcement discovery date. You see, the address listed on the birth announcement was never the Obama’s address, as they never lived together as man and wife.

The address listed is 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, and was the residenc of Orland Scott Lefforge, a Professor at UH at Manoa, Dept. of Speech. Later, he became an assistant to Sen. Daniel Inouye in 1967. After that he wrote a paper about “In service Training as an Instrument of Change” (1971). He was also an administrator in the UH Community College office, and a member of the Osher Institute. He died July 4, 2007 at the age of 91. His wife/companion Thelma Jones Lefforge Young died June 12, 2008.

Ten days from Lefforge’s death is plenty of time to cut, typeset, & paste a new birth announcement. From what I’ve read, the announcements were scanned and emailed by the librarian in Hawaii to a blogger named Lori and then to the TD [texasdarling.wordpress.com] blog.

Unfortunately, they should have put more time into researching a safer and more practical address. Whomever suggests that CIA is behind this has got to be joking. No one at the agency would have been so stupid as to have chosen an address that is easily traced to a family occuping the home. Nor would they have selected a property grossly beyond the means of the supposed occupants.

In 1961 the Dunhams lived on Kamehameha Avenue, while Obama Sr. lived on 11th Avenue. The Lefforge family, including their 3 children under the age of seven were residing at the luxury home listed on Obama’s newly found birth announcement — 6085 Kalanianaole Highway.

It is highly improbable that the Lefforges would move an African 25 year old male and his pregnant teenage girlfriend into their home. Why would anyone want unemployed college students and a newborn baby living in their family home with their own three young children?

And since the Mr. Lefforge died 10 days prior to the appearance of the birth announcement that listed his address, we can’t ask him. But we do know that the next door neighbors testify that Obama, his mama, and his ‘papa’ never lived there. What a tangled web of lies...

Not a shred of evidence links the Dunhams or Obamas to Kalanianaole Highway. Kalanianaole only surfaced in connection with the Obamas in July 2008. I don’t think a commemorative plaque on the old homestead will be nailed up anytime soon.

I wasn’t necessarily tying the date of the release of the Certificate with the June 12, 2008 date. I was trying to see how the sudden discovery of the birth announcement coincides with the death of the legitimate owner (witness) of the home that was alleged to be the first home of Obama.

So in other words, the recent death announcement of the 1961 resident triggers the announcement, since now it is presumed to be a “safe address” to utilize as home plate.

Mrs. Lefforge (not Mister) passed away June 12, 2008. Forty days later, her address was found to be used as the first home of Obama.

The Microfilm In Hawaii, WND was able to locate at the Honolulu public library microfilm of a notice placed in the Sunday Advertiser Aug. 13, 1961. The announcement in the “Births, Marriages, Death” section read: “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4.”

Arakaki told Baro’s investigators she had no recollection of Obama being born or of the family living next door having a black child born to a white mother.

Baro sent a team of investigators to Honolulu to explore records regarding current residents of Kalanianaole Highway and to track down residents back to 1961.

Baro’s investigators were unable to locate any current or past resident of Kalanianaole Highway who could recall Obama or his family living at the address listed in the Sunday Advertiser announcement.

Baro also sent investigators to the newspaper offices to examine files, but the Advertiser could not confirm who actually placed the ad.

According to Baro’s affidavit, Beatrice Arakaki affirmed she was a neighbor of the address listed. She has lived at her current residence of 6075 Kalanianaole Highway from before 1961 to the present.

Moreover, Arakaki said she believed that when Obama lived with the Dunhams, his grandparents, the family address was in Waikiki, not on Kalanianaole Highway.

Baro was able to determine the previous owners of the residence at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway — the alleged address of Obama’s parents when he was born — were Orland S. and Thelma S. (Young) Lefforge, both of whom are deceased. ****

Just so you understand how deep the conspiracy runs on the cover-up of President Obama’s origins, his Hawaiian school file for kindergarten has gone missing! His is the only file from his class to have disappeared. In it would be his certified copy of his Birth Certificate, his real name, his birthplace, his vaccination record up to that date. There would be no embarrassing records as to his achievements or lack thereof - ‘cause few people have any at five years of age.

The only reason possible to hide this birthplace information is that he wasn’t born in the United States.

Unfortunately, they should have put more time into researching a safer and more practical address. Whomever suggests that CIA is behind this has got to be joking. No one at the agency would have been so stupid as to have chosen an address that is easily traced to a family occuping the home. Nor would they have selected a property grossly beyond the means of the supposed occupants. They would have safely chosen Bear-icks or the Dunham’s address. This birth announcement was done by someone wishing to uplift the early status of their beloved leader by selecting a pricy address and not doing their homework....”

“.... So in other words, the recent death announcement of the 1961 resident triggers the announcement, since now it is presumed to be a “safe address” to utilize as home plate.

Mrs. Lefforge (not Mister) passed away June 12, 2008. Forty days later, her address was found to be used as the first home of Obama....”

“...WND was able to locate at the Honolulu public library microfilm of a notice placed in the Sunday Advertiser Aug. 13, 1961. The announcement in the “Births, Marriages, Death” section read: “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4.”

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So according to World Net Daily there IS a microfilm in the Honolulu library which has the newspaper birth listing! Now we’re getting somewhere! Unless the Conspiracy managed to obtain an unexposed roll of 1960’s microfilm stock (and in only a few days!), the library roll is either on new film stock, or the library roll is the original with the relevant frame cut out and a new one spliced in, which would be obvious by inspection. Get Beckwith or World Net Daily to the Honolulu library stat to look at that roll! The proof of the Conspiracy is within your grasp!

The Lafforges were both professors at the University of Hawaii, had three children (none of whom were half-white and named Barack Hussein Obama), and were very, very progressive-type liberal activists. The Obamas never lived together as man and wife, and they never lived with the Lafforges. These are the facts.

That birth announcement is a fake. So is the Certification of Live Birth (COLB) posted online that supposedly proves our President was born in Hawaii. Why do I say that?

Because so far he has spent over a $1Million with a Washington, D.C., law firm fighting to prevent disclosure of his Birth Certificate.

If the COLB was convincing then it would have been produced in court, but his lawyers haven’t done so because the COLB only exists in cyberspace. It is not a real document, just a forgery.

Barack Hussein Obama II [if that is his real name] wasn’t born in the United State.

[devistate one four]

Even if he was born in the whitehouse, he is not natural born because his daddy was Kenyan.

End of story.

[nanetteclaret]

How do you, or anyone else for that matter, know that he was born on August 4, 1961? Just because he said so? He’s lied about everything else, why would you think he’s telling the truth about his birth date? No one has seen his real birth certificate, so how do we even know the date is right?

We don’t know his real name, who his father really is, where he was born, or even if his birth date is correct.

Once a liar, always a liar. That’s why he has to use a teleprompter - so he can keep his stories straight. And then he can’t even get it right where he met Michelle! A normal person knows where he/she met his/her spouse! Only a liar or someone heavily involved in drug usage could forget or make up that important little factoid.

[LucyT]

Thanks, stockpirate.

FR discussion: Obama birth announcement in Honolulu paper, a must read (read it all, esp the end)

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[Oratam]

Marriage is such a bourgeois concept. I see the good doctor wasn't married either.

[PA-RIVER]

Obamas real name ... is .... DAMIAN.

[OafOfOffice]

Obama is a slick guy, maybe slicker than Clinton, but he is presssing a losing agenda - one doomed to fail.

I know to pull this off obama appears to be slick. But one slick person could not do this on his own. Obama has supporters, czars and administration who have been in politics for ages and they know every angle to protect Obama's lies. Obama is evil and would like to think he is this slick but he is a coward hiding behind the likes of axelrod, rahm, george soros and the rest of commies who have planned America's takeover for years.

I mean to the point they all wrote books saying how they planned the takeover.

[Jacksonian Grouch]

I believe the part about the $ spent with law firms to avoid showing the BC - where do you have documentation for this, though? Where’s the proof?

There’s so much info flying around about this, so many threads, claims, counter-claims, new developments, etc., that I really think it’s imperative that everything possible be verified and supported with documentation or verifiable sources that hold the public records for things like this.

Without proper documentation, all we really have is hearsay, which - coupled with a buck - will get you a cup of coffee at the nearest deli.

JG

[cycle of discernment]

You are a joke with an agenda.

Go take a nap.

[Jacksonian Grouch]

$900,000 K - where's the proof? You know the standards for Conservatives is much higher than for the left - when these lemming dhimmis point their fingers and laugh at us, the best way to shut them up is with FACTS and the verifiable TRUTH.

[Citizen Soldier]

After zer0 finishes passing all his agendas we will be forever known as Nomoreica

[allmendream]

My agenda is NOT to spread lies.

Is your agenda to spread lies?

So “birthers” not only don't police themselves and pass on ABSOLUTE GARBAGE as if it were gospel, they also attack anyone who dares point out the lies and misstatements.

Obama was NOT one year old when the birth announcement came out.

[BP2]

For Obama's Aug. 4, 1961 birth in Honolulu, HA, to be accurate, the following improbable events needed to occur for his COLB to accurate:

1 month after starting classes, Stanley Ann Dunham, Barack’s mom, at age 17, got pregnant by just-about the only black African man on the entire chain of Hawaiian islands (the 1960 Census shows the population of blacks in Hawaii to be at 0.7 percent)

2 months after getting pregnant, she drops out of college.

3 months after getting pregnant, she marries BHO Sr.

10 months AFTER her first day at the Univ of Hawaii, she gives birth to BHO II at EITHER the Queen's or Kapiolani Medical Center, and immediately LEAVES behind: a) her parents in Honolulu, b) her new husband in Honolulu, and c) her home in Honolulu -- to fly ALONE with a 3-week-old newborn baby 2,800 miles to Seattle to start college at the Univ of Washington

Then ... Stanley Ann Dunham does not return to Hawaii until AFTER BHO Sr left the islands for Harvard, in Fall of 1962.

Even the Obots realize this is an implausible series of events is made even more suspicious in that -NEVER- does Obama Jr in his two books mention that his mom left Hawaii when she was married to BHO Sr, nor does he mention she was EVER in Washington State during their marriage until they were divorced in March 1964 ...

... occam's razor ...
... propensity of evidence ...
... reasonable doubt ...
... trust but verify.

If McCain had won, what do you think Obama and the Dems would have been doing on Wed, Nov. 5th, 2008?

[Citizen Soldier]

That’s why he has to use a teleprompter - so he can keep his stories straight

Very good! I may have to "borrow" that line sometime

[Jacksonian Grouch]

thanks for putting all the ‘61 events in an easily digestable stream that hits the main points. That being said, we need all - or as much as possible - of the stuff we put out there verified, backed up with facts, witnesses or public records, etc. - all to the max extent possible.

it’s a given that ridicule will continue to be a tactic used by the dhimmi lemmings - and the best way to shut them up is with FACTS and TRUTH.

I’m not saying that getting the word out on what your wrote can’t work to sway some folks over to the light - but it’s proven to be easier to associate many of the BC claims/data with the more outlandish ones, or the at least the ones that MSM has successfully branded with ridicule.

Otherwise, we’re just playing right into the hands of these b*^%@rds - and not getting enough of the voting public aware about what’s going on...

JG

[RetSignman]

(How in the world can you get a passport without one?)

He were probably showed the same one that’s on his website. It’s still fooling people even on Free Republic.

[philled]

Thanks for the summary. What was Washington state that year?

[real_patriotic_american]

I agree!!!

Excerpt (last sentence)-
“Barack Hussein Obama II [if that is his real name] wasn’t born in the United State.”

[cycle of discernment]

STOP the smoke screen of hyper-focusing on one stupid, errant comment in a thread of multiple posters to try and discredit the entire discussion.

“Obama was NOT one year old when the birth announcement came out.”

I NEVER CLAIMED THAT HE WAS, DUDE.

I HAVE TOLD YOU NOW REPEATEDLY THAT MANY TIMES IN BLOGS WITH MULTIPLE PEOPLE YOU GET SHADES....NOT ALL THE STUFF IS GOOD__YOU EXTRACT THE CONCRETE STUFF—YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH.

BACK OFF YOU TEDIOUS BOOR.

YOU ARE TRANSPARENT IN TRYING TO CAST DOUBT OVER EVERYTHING IN THAT THREAD BECAUSE OF ONE COMMENT THAT NO OTHER POSTER EVEN PICKED UP ON.

ALL: This guy’s agenda is crystal clear.

[allmendream]

Yet you did not “extract the concrete stuff”. You passed on an outright lie and then attacked me for pointing it out.

And nobody wants to “pick up on” the untruths in a birther thread as either they really want to believe the lie, or they will get irrationally attacked for pointing out the truth to those who would apparently rather pass on a lie as if it were even slightly credible.

If I was promoting a position, and included in my “argument” an outright untruth from someone else promoting the same position; and someone pointed it out - I would THANK that person, admit the error, and apologize for passing on an EASILY discernible lie.

But I guess it is easier to just lash out and accuse someone of having an “agenda” for pointing out the truth.

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