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'Birth hospital': Letter for real - New images of 'Obama document'
Worldnet Daily ^ | July 16, 2009 | Joe Kovacs

Posted on 07/16/2009 8:39:45 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

After days of sustained silence, the Honolulu hospital that trumpeted – then later concealed – a letter allegedly written by President Obama in which he ostensibly declares his birth at the facility now claims the letter is, in fact, real.

WorldNetDaily has obtained exclusive images of what the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children says is the original White House correspondence, dated Jan. 24 of this year, just four days after the inauguration of the new commander in chief.

"As a beneficiary of the excellence of Kapi'olani Medical Center – the place of my birth – I am pleased to add my voice to your chorus of supporters," Obama purportedly wrote.

This excerpt from the alleged Obama letter is perhaps the first formal declaration from the president about his exact birthplace. The White House has still not confirmed if the letter or its contents are authentic.

"We treasure the letter, and we're delighted to share it with you," said Keala Peters, director of marketing and communications for Hawaii Pacific Health, which runs the hospital.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: article2section1; birthcertificate; certifigate; citizenship; eligibility; hawaii; honolulu; hospitalletter; indonesia; ineligible; kapiolani; kenya; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; obama; obroma; usurper; wolverines
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To: BP2

Ping to #60

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2294515/posts?page=60#60


61 posted on 07/17/2009 12:43:43 PM PDT by Polarik (Obama: When destroying America is not enough.)
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To: danamco

he remembers he was born there? I only know of the hospital I was born in because I was told. My bc said so. My parents said so. My doctor said so. Otherwise, I didn’t “remember” being born there.


62 posted on 07/17/2009 12:46:26 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: Polarik

Wow, good work on Post 60.

Do you have a contact at WND to forward it on to?


63 posted on 07/17/2009 12:52:16 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Polarik

Good work Polarik. It figures you would be on the case.

Traced. LoL!


64 posted on 07/17/2009 1:03:46 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Polarik; BP2; Fred Nerks; LucyT

65 posted on 07/17/2009 1:40:32 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: Polarik; PhilDragoo; Fred Nerks; LucyT

THIS image:
rotated - Obama Kapi'olani Letter, Inspire Magazine, Spring 2009
is derived from THIS image, published on Page 8 of the Spring 2009 Inspire Magazine (Kapiolani Medical Center) in Hawaii:
http://www.kapiolanigift.org/press_room/Publications/Inspire%20Magazine%20Spring%202009.pdf
Obama Kapi'olani Letter, Inspire Magazine, Spring 2009

Pretty stupid of Kapiolani Med Center and Team Obama to put these out on the Internet for comparison ...
WND vs Inspire Magazine - Obama Kapiolani Letters


66 posted on 07/17/2009 2:31:25 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Red Steel

To reiterate for those not keeping track (it is a bit confusing) -- there are now THREE versions of this letter ...

The FIRST image below is the new letter (released on July 17, 2009) supplied by the hospital by WND, rotated and cropped for comparison.

The SECOND image below is a rotated and cropped copy of the letter that appeared on Page 8 of the Spring 2009 Inspire Magazine (Kapiolani Medical Center) in Hawaii: http://www.kapiolanigift.org/press_room/Publications/Inspire%20Magazine%20Spring%202009.pdf

The THIRD image below is a copy of the letter that appeared on the Kapi'olani Medical Center website in January or February -- deleted a couple of weeks ago. Again, IMO, THIS letter is OBVIOUSLY a web-based recreation of the "original" letter.

cropped and laid flat - WND - Obama Kapi'olani Letter rotated - Obama Kapi'olani Letter, Inspire Magazine, Spring 2009 From archived website - Obama Kapi'olani Letter, Inspire Magazine, Spring 2009

67 posted on 07/17/2009 2:37:17 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; Polarik; BP2; Frantzie; null and void; LucyT; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; ckilmer; ...
As mentioned in the new WND story, there is even more confusion as to which - if any - is the "real" letter: Congressman Abercrombie (who supposedly knew Obama from the time O was a baby) purportedly read from an Obama letter to the hospital at the hospital's centennial event, but the text of the letters posted differed significantly from Abercrombie's spoken message!

The hospital's most recent assertion that "the letter" was "real" was possibly prompted by the White House.

68 posted on 07/17/2009 2:58:33 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

VIDEO - ABERCROMBIE READS ‘THE LETTER’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Trqfq9FY1Ig

The Abercrombie version of things in general don’t relate to what’s real. He’s the only one remember, who actually saw Obama snr and Stanley Ann together in Hawaii, and this is the same Abercrombie who visited Obama Snr in Kenya...


69 posted on 07/17/2009 3:30:54 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Polarik

From your post and the images shown, it looks as if though someone:

1. Took a REAL form letter from some nameless hospital beneficiary (someone who’d actually been born there);
2. copied it on to “White House” stationery; and
3. traced BO’s signature on it.


70 posted on 07/17/2009 7:23:24 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Polarik
"Signature gives it away, as does the phony masthead: just the letters, “The White House, Wsashington,” which is typed computer text as is the rest of ther letter."

I disagree. The article has a close-up of those words:

That appears to be blue type, not black, imprinted as the stationery masthead. Others are free to judge for themselves whether that looks like computer type.

"REAL MASTHEADS have a raised Seal and raised type professionally printed, with a Linotronic, for example."

Not necessarily. See this letter from Bill Clinton, which has an imprinted seal like this letter's. It also, for what it's worth, has a dark blue "The White House" masthead, much like Obama's letter.

"No signature line! Should say “Barack Hussein Obama, President of the United States,” blah. blah, blah."

No it shouldn't. In fact, it definitely shouldn't. Do a Google image search for White House letters. NONE of the White House letters have signature lines. None of them (or at least none of the results I see) say "President of the United States" under the signature. Not Bush's, not Clinton's, not Reagan's, not Nixon's.

So I'm not sure where you even got the idea that there *should* be a signature line on a White House letter.

"Same thing for the Salutation. Just the hospital’s name?"

Again, that's not unknown or uncommon for White House letters. It's certainly not a universal standard practice. Sometimes they put an address (most often, it seems, for private individuals), sometimes they don't. For instance, see here or here, to cite two examples.

"The formatting is alsowrong. This should have been done in block or semi-block. This is a impersonal, informal style - and not what a government office would do."

White House letters often use block formatting, but not always, so it can hardly be said to be "wrong" or what the government wouldn't do. It comes down to administrative preference. George W. Bush appears to have preferred block, but Bill Clinton was not wedded to it. For instance, see this Clinton letter or this letter, where the paragraphs are fully indented like on this letter. Here is another Obama letter where he does not use block formatting.

"Left formatting should cause breaks in “two,” “birth,” and “one,” instead of keeping them on the previous line."

The word "two" does not even appear in the letter.

Did you do *any* research into what White House letters can look like before making all these claims up? You make a lot of firm statements about what a White House letter "should" look like, when there are plenty of White House letters over the decades that don't. In particular, the claim that there should be a signature line when the overwhelming practice is that White House letters DON'T have a signature line like that is just inexplicable.

71 posted on 07/17/2009 8:25:18 PM PDT by LorenC
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To: Polarik
"Even if the letter was a complete image, the signature was forged. Anyone who bothered to look at it under magnification (which I strongly urge everyone to do), they can see how crudely it was TRACED."

Presidents commonly rely on autopens to sign their correspondence. As stated here:

"When Barack Obama takes up residence in the White House, Autopens, and to a lesser degree, secretarial signatures (signatures signed by secretaries or other assistants) will fill the vast majority of autograph requests."

"Since President John F. Kennedy, presidents and politicians have relied on the Autopen. Kennedy himself was reported to have had six different Autopen signatures. The best way to detect one is to compare it against known Autopens. Autopen signatures from the same template will be virtually identical. If you superimpose one image over another, the signatures will align almost precisely."

A polite letter of congratulations is exactly the type that should be expected to be signed by autopen. So the fact that the signatures appear traced is just as easily testimony to their authenticity.

72 posted on 07/17/2009 8:33:20 PM PDT by LorenC
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To: LorenC; null and void; Beckwith; stockpirate; PhilDragoo; Candor7; MeekOneGOP; Myrddin; ...
So the fact that the signatures appear traced is just as easily testimony to their authenticity.

Autopens have no hesitancy in moving from point to point and are incredibly precise. Nothing about this tracing was "automatic," precise, or even pretty. A forgery is easily a testimony to fraud: which is soemthing Obama cannot hide.

73 posted on 07/17/2009 8:58:17 PM PDT by Polarik (Obama: When destroying America is not enough.)
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To: Polarik; Fred Nerks; BP2; LucyT
Detecting Autopen Autographs
74 posted on 07/17/2009 9:05:01 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: LorenC; null and void; Beckwith; stockpirate; PhilDragoo; Candor7; MeekOneGOP; Myrddin; ...

Do you get the PICTURE now, Loren, what a real letter is supposed to look like? People who are not trying to jerk the reader around DO NOT show a perfectly flat Eagle Seal here, and a perfectly formed signature there.

They show THE WHOLE FREAKIN' LETTER!


75 posted on 07/17/2009 9:14:09 PM PDT by Polarik (Obama: When destroying America is not enough.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Several words missing from the print version[s].


76 posted on 07/17/2009 9:26:54 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (I piddy da foo if Jim Thompson zots you!)
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To: Polarik
But wait--aren't you supposed to hold the letter so the shadow of your arm conceals vital details?

These letters you've displayed are completely visible.

And they don't have Obama's seal:


77 posted on 07/17/2009 9:26:59 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: Fred Nerks
Maybe I missed something, Fred. It has been a busy summer. Is this “THE LETER” of which there are 3 versions that Abercrombe is reading?

Is he dyslexic or is this version 4?

78 posted on 07/17/2009 9:30:02 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (I piddy da foo if Jim Thompson zots you!)
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To: PhilDragoo; null and void; Beckwith; stockpirate; Candor7; MeekOneGOP; Myrddin; ...
Good article, Phil. And, I'm going to sleep now.

The two main autopens that I generally run into have completely different characteristics. They are: a) Too good and b) Too bad signatures. In this article, I am going to go over the type of autopen that produces the “bad” signatures. You can tell this type of autopen by closely examining the signature for specific “stopping” points in the machine. When the machine is programmed, it has to learn the entire signature, so that means that each loop needs to be considered by the machine. Think of it as plotting out the signature on a very fine piece of graph paper. Then, connect the dots.

That's the point I was trying to make. Obama's autopen signs perfect copies of Obama's signature and is one of the "too good" ones he describes. There are several dozen of them on the Internet. But, the second signature, the one that does not follow the loops, the one that makes horrible loops, and the one that is totally made up of individual pixels: THAT was made by man, and not by machine.

I know what an autopen does: it is exactly like a plotter, and if someone cannot tell the difference between raster graphics and a vector graphics is not going to know the difference.

I maintain that what's shown on WND's letter is an added graphic of Obama's signature, irrespective of who or what made the signature. Same-same for the Seal. How exactly does one get an alleged ENLARGEMENT of the Seal on that letter look perfectly formed and raised, with absolutely no distress marks in the paper? How does one take a photo of a letter that looks perfect in every respect, when it's not?

79 posted on 07/17/2009 9:30:44 PM PDT by Polarik (Obama: When destroying America is not enough.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
ZELIG!
80 posted on 07/17/2009 9:39:41 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 178 of our national holiday from reality.)
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