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The battered and bruised face of a burglar who got on the wrong side of a 72-year-old former boxer
Daily Mail ^ | 30th June 2009

Posted on 06/30/2009 6:26:16 AM PDT by naturalman1975

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To: naturalman1975

Chalk up one for the Seniors!!!!!! Go, Grandpa go!!!!!!!/Just Asking - seoul62........


21 posted on 06/30/2009 6:46:41 AM PDT by seoul62
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To: naturalman1975

Looks more like the face of the Republican party. Our wounds are self-inflicted, of course.


22 posted on 06/30/2009 6:47:57 AM PDT by LiberConservative
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To: MrB

I certainly with Britain’s gun laws and certainly believe law abiding people should be allowed to own firearms, and if necessary use them in their self defence.

I’m just pointing out though that British law does allow a person to use deadly force in their own defence in serious situations - including using a firearm if for some reason you do have one available (firearms are not completely banned in the UK - pretty close but there are certainly still some people who own them).

It’s not the actual laws on self defence that are the major problem.

And, in fact, generally speaking a person can probably claim that they were in fear of their life if somebody has invaded their home. Where people find themselves getting into serious trouble is when they use a high level of force on a person who could no longer be reasonably regarded as a threat because they have been successfully restrained or because they are fleeing the scene - in the famous Tony Martin case, for example, he was found guilty of murder because he shot a man in the back as the man was attempting to flee from his home. If he’d shot the man before he started to flee, it’s unlikely he would have been charged.


23 posted on 06/30/2009 6:49:06 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: ArrogantBustard

That wasn’t my point—He restrained the thug after sentencing???


24 posted on 06/30/2009 6:49:27 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Probably when the homeowner victim that was assaulted was facing jail timed because he used deadly force with a firearm and killed the intruder in his own home. The judge probably sentenced the homeowner and told him “you got what you deserved.”


25 posted on 06/30/2009 6:50:18 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: naturalman1975

LOL - how you gonna explain that to your homies, punk?


26 posted on 06/30/2009 6:50:38 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (When you put Democrats in charge, stupid things happen)
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To: ShadowAce

That sentence was horribly constructed.

I merely point to something they got right.


27 posted on 06/30/2009 6:51:50 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
In British law, a person is entitled to use reasonable force to protect themselves.

The defence of self-defence is one which can be and will be readily understood by any jury. It is a straightforward conception. It involves no abstruse legal thought. Only common sense is needed for its understanding. It is both good law and good sense that a man who is attacked may defend himself. It is both good law and good sense that he may do, but may only do, what is reasonably necessary. But everything will depend upon the particular facts and circumstances. It may in some cases be only sensible and clearly possible to take some simple avoiding action. Some attacks may be serious and dangerous. Others may not be. If there is some relatively minor attack it would not be common sense to permit some action of retaliation which was wholly out of proportion to the necessities of the situation. If an attack is serious so that it puts someone in immediate peril then immediate defensive action may be necessary. If the moment is one of crisis for someone in imminent danger he may have to avert the danger by some instant reaction. If the attack is all over and no sort of peril remains then the employment of force may be by way of revenge or punishment or by way of paying off an old score or may be pure aggression. There may no longer be any link with a necessity of defence. If a jury thought that in a moment of unexpected anguish a person attacked had only done what he honestly and instinctively thought was necessary that would be most potent evidence that only reasonable defensive action had been taken.

That is the legal test applied. Mr Corti's actions were clearly within it.

28 posted on 06/30/2009 6:51:59 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975
Still looks better than this .
29 posted on 06/30/2009 6:52:15 AM PDT by djf (Go tell everybody its calm before the storm Can you hear the distant thunder baby....)
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To: Blue Highway

Yes! That would be the approved use of the phrase.


30 posted on 06/30/2009 6:52:39 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (What kind of organization answers the phone if you call a suicide hotline in Gaza City?)
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To: naturalman1975

Yet, I remain surprised!


31 posted on 06/30/2009 6:52:55 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Prepare. It's Coming.)
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To: ShadowAce
I just followed the link, and read the original article. The poor sentence construction we're talking about is an artifact of excerpting the article.

Check it out. It's a good article, and is accompanied by several ... interesting ... pictures of the perp.

32 posted on 06/30/2009 6:55:21 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: MrB

***in England, it’s OK to defend yourself from a burglar, but only if you’re physically superior or trained in self defense.***

Whadda bet that if UK citizens start getting martial arts training to protect themselves their wennie lawmakers will outlaw THAT?


33 posted on 06/30/2009 6:55:52 AM PDT by Mrs.Z
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To: naturalman1975

BEFORE

AFTER

I think 72 year old Mr. Conti did a wonderful job on that extreme makeover of that young idiot. Here is the other picture of that drunken fool.


34 posted on 06/30/2009 6:58:03 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: MrB
Now let me get this straight -

in England, it’s OK to defend yourself from a burglar, but only if you’re physically superior or trained in self defense.

Right -- for the time being. Expect a law banning fists shortly.

35 posted on 06/30/2009 6:58:58 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Nepolean fries the idea powder)
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To: Mrs.Z

Any beating of a criminal will be upgraded from “assault” to “aggravated assault”.

I had a prosecutor ask me once if I thought a green belt in taekwondo was the equivalent of carrying a weapon. He told me he was after upgrading an assault charge.


36 posted on 06/30/2009 6:59:24 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: reagan_fanatic

I dunno how he will explain it to his “homies”, but knowing young idiots like that, I bet his friends will try to exact revenge on the 72 year old Condi. Sad to say but these idiots never learn.


37 posted on 06/30/2009 7:01:31 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: naturalman1975
A person is allowed to use ‘reasonable force’ in self defence.

The problem is that "reasonable" is easily dumbed down. Think of Eric Butler, the 50-something man who used the blade in his ornamental walking stick to stab the guy who was at that time choking him to death. I wonder whether he got a longer prison sentence than his assailants. He probably did.

Attacking a person is just screwing with subjects. Defending yourself insults the state. The latter cannot be allowed. Luckily the subjects of the UK are still in a place where the government couldn't get away with prosecuting this guy. They will be though.

38 posted on 06/30/2009 7:04:02 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
That's probably because normally only the cases where somebody is facing prosecution for 'defending' themselves get any publicity. There are a lot of cases where people have defended themselves and not been prosecuted. Everybody hears about Tony Martin - far fewer hear about Tony Evans (shot a burglar in 1993 and was found to have acted in self defence) or Hugh Williamson (stabbed a burglar in 1994 and was found to have acted in self defence) or John Pritchett (shot two burglars in 1995 and was found to have acted in self defence) or Barrie Richards (shot a burglar in 1995 and found to have acted in self defence) or Niklos Baungartner (cleared over the killing of a burglar in 1996) or David Kent (found to have acted lawfully in self defence by shooting the man who threatened him at work) or Garfield Davenport or Thomas O'Connor or Kenneth Faulkner...
39 posted on 06/30/2009 7:04:49 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Eric Butler was gaoled not for defending himself but for carrying an illegal weapon. The Judge in fact said he had quite clearly acted within the law in defending himself, but that was separate from the issue of whether or not the weapon was legal. He was not imprisoned - he received a 28 day suspended sentence and a fine.


40 posted on 06/30/2009 7:08:15 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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