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To: FreeAtlanta
For the millionth time..

A Birth Certificate is a "Certificate of Live Birth". That's the name that is on the CDC document that was issued to the state that gives guidance about what the state's version should like like. This document is also referred to sometimes as "The Long Form Birth Certificate". It's the one that has the most detailed information possible about the individual's identity.

What is being shown as Barry's "Birth Certificate" is actually a "Certification of Live Birth", or what is also commonly referred to as the "Short Form Birth Certificate".

Whether Obama was born in the States or if the internet version is fake or not, I'll leave to other people because frankly I don't know but am skeptical at best of his citizenship bona fides.

But, it is without question, that the "Certification of Live Birth" AKA "Short Form Birth Certificate", is just as valid as the original, longer document. To argue anything else, is just nonsense.

8 posted on 06/10/2009 1:58:05 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: Big_Monkey
But, it is without question, that the "Certification of Live Birth" AKA "Short Form Birth Certificate", is just as valid as the original, longer document. To argue anything else, is just nonsense.

The question is valid because Hawaii also gave "Certification of Live Birth" documents to children NOT born in Hawaii, actually children born in other countries.

11 posted on 06/10/2009 2:02:32 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Big_Monkey

Agreed. It’s the state legally & officially stating that that the information provided is correct & true according to the filed paperwork. Hawaii has legally stated that BHO is a citizen, born in Hawaii when it was a state. There are multiple high-resolution non-doctored non-redacted photos of that document floating around (not to be confused, as so many seem to willfully do, with the prior doctored & redacted low-res POS scan). BHO wins that line of reasoning until someone can get their hands on the in-vault original. Let it go guys until you can get PROOF otherwise.


14 posted on 06/10/2009 2:05:35 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: Big_Monkey

Shut up smelly monkey. Let the PEOPLE have their say. <);~)


17 posted on 06/10/2009 2:06:46 PM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTEXASA!)
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To: Big_Monkey

I’ve never seen my birth certificate. Not sure I ever had one. All I had was a
Baptismal Certificate, which was enough to get my county to issue a birth
certificate so I could get a passport.

That’s not even a Certificate of Live birth, it’s merely a document proving I was baptized and it was good enough.

Drop it.


47 posted on 06/10/2009 2:38:03 PM PDT by cydcharisse
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To: Big_Monkey
But, it is without question, that the "Certification of Live Birth" AKA "Short Form Birth Certificate", is just as valid as the original, longer document. To argue anything else, is just nonsense.

Your description of the two distinct documents does not do a thing to prove whether the above statement is true. If you are going to state unequivocally that it is "nonsense", you should provide an argument that demonstrates that fact. Otherwise, you are merely talking out of your rear end.
53 posted on 06/10/2009 2:45:14 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Big_Monkey
Absolutely not true. The document only says that a birth has been recorded in the state of HI. It does not say where the birth took place. The shining example of this is Barack Obama's sister, who has a COLB from Hawaii, yet was born in Indonesia.
54 posted on 06/10/2009 2:46:19 PM PDT by JoeA (JoeA / welcome to third world politics.)
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To: Big_Monkey
"What is being shown as Barry's "Birth Certificate" is actually a "Certification of Live Birth", or what is also commonly referred to as the "Short Form Birth Certificate"."

Obama still has not provided any definite proof that he was born in United States of America. When he provides a "for real" birth certificate that shows all of the pertinent and necessary information that he was born a citizen of these United States of America, then all of the questions will be answered --- won't they? So what's stopping him?

64 posted on 06/10/2009 3:02:56 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: Big_Monkey

sorry big monkey, but what you describe is the typical ignorance and gullibility of the lefty wackos. the COLB and the original long from BC are NOT the same thing, especially since in 1961 Hawaii did allow residents to submit affadavits to declare citizenship, regardless of whether the baby was born on US soil or not.

the COLB is legal to prove US citizenship, for that you are correct. But it does not prove NATURAL BORN citizenship. So while the COLB would be good enough to get a passport, drivers license, etc.....those thing only require proof of Us citizenship.

We have never denied that the usurper has US citizenship.

There is one and only one position that requires NATURAL BORN citizenship....and that is the POTUS. And that has not been proven for the Usurper. At all.

But the doubters just simply fail to answer one simple question. If the Usurper was truly natural born, then what is the big friggin deal with his original BC? Just show the damn thing, for goshsakes. Clearly, he wanted to end the rumors, because he created a fightthesmears site to address this. So why go to that trouble, and not show this document? Instead, he has it sealed, and he is paying thousands of dollars in legal fees to fight this, even though he could have shown this 10 dollar document in the first place and solve it once and for all?

Does that sound like sane behavior to you?

Until he proves it, he is an Usurper. At the very least, prove it to our soldiers, who risk their lives going into harms way, and they deserve to know that their CIC is eligibile. But, he refuses. What kind of monster is that?

A lying, disgusting, corrupt, racist piece of Usurping trash.


95 posted on 06/10/2009 5:41:46 PM PDT by DecentAmerican
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