Posted on 06/07/2009 2:56:42 PM PDT by lewisglad
News of Dr. George Tiller's death was only hours old last week when bloggers began asking the question: What kind of church accepts a doctor who performs abortions into its membership?
"I wonder what kind, if any, preaching against sin this church did since Tiller felt welcomed there," opined Blue Collar Todd, who declares on his blog that "liberalism, or sometimes called progressivism, is a false religion that stands in total antithesis to biblical Christianity."
Todd has already made up his mind, and so have others who called or e-mailed me this week to criticize a column I wrote describing the desperate circumstances that brought people to Wichita to obtain late-term abortions.
But I'll take a swing at the pitch anyway.
What kind of church would embrace George Tiller? A church that believes the creator endowed human beings with both conscience and intelligence, to enable us to wrestle with the complicated questions. A church that recognizes that one's relationship with that creator can't be dictated by a central authority, or proscribed by a narrow list of rules.
Tiller's church, Reformation Lutheran in Wichita, Kan., is one that trusts its members with the freedom to decide on matters of conscience. It holds that a choice made for good reasons and in good faith does not separate a human being from God.
Some call this "relativism," and blame it for a decline in morals and corruption of society.
I call it freedom. And, as with the right of a woman to decide on what terms to bring a child into the world, we should be vigilant against anyone or anything that would take it away.
(Excerpt) Read more at voices.kansascity.com ...
No.
Apparently, it is a church that has no respect for or blatnatly ignores God’s Law i.e. thou shalt not kill/murder. This is NOT my view, but no doubt they follow Man’s Law where abortion is viwed as ‘legal’ thus excused. They use the same argument as those for soldiers committing legalized killing for their country, etc.
Jeremiah 17:9
“The heart is deceitful above all things, and it is exceedingly corrupt: who can know it?”
Trusting in our own good intentions is foolish. We can deceive ourselves more effectively than anyone else.
I don’t know.
What church has embraced and admired his murderer? None I agree with.
"A choice made for good reasons" - like the choice the inhabitants of Sodom made?
1 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 "My lords," he said, "please turn aside to your servant's house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning." "No," they answered, "we will spend the night in the square."3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
- Genesis 19:3-5
ping
One that exists to worship man, not God.
The same kind that harbored the founder of the ACLU and Planned Parenthood.. I believe it was the Universalist Unitarian.
And you, sir sound cloacally-gifted.
...It holds that a choice made for good reasons and in good faith does not separate a human being from God.”
Hitler thought he had a good reason for killing millions of people. I guess he is with God.
I believe Tiller admitted to 60,000 that he led to the slaughter!
An apostate one.
1 Corinthians 5:1-13 (New International Version)
1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? 3 Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. 4 When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.
6 Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? 7 Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.
9 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."
The Church is full of sinners, myself and everyone I know included. However, we recognize that we are sinners and are repentent (i.e., ask God for forgiveness).
George Tiller's sin was incredibly public, blatant, and he most assuredly was not repentent. Most Bible-believing churches would have exercised this principle of expelling non-repentent sinners from the Church. George Tiller should have been excommunicated from the family of believers in an attempt to change his heart back to God.
Thank you. Now that I see the number, I remember seeing it tossed around several times. It’s such a large number, it’s impossible to conceive of all the souls it represents. 60,000. How long would it take just to count that high?
"1) No church embraces and admires Tiller’s murderer because he has been in custody since the day he did it. 2) Can you be any more liberal?"
Here, here! Bravo!
Tiller, while he may have had a high body count, is more worse than any other abortionist.
For that matter, if one can justify killing Tiller, one could also justify killing a woman who had an abortion.
Will the author apply this line of...of..what shall we call it?...self serving justification?...to the shooter?
He (the shooter) made a choice for “good” (he gets to define good) reasons, and in good faith (his own “faith” in his own ability to decide what is right) in a matter of his (superior to God's law) conscience.
He'd make an outstanding member of the RLC!
The ELCA has trouble.
I predict a split next year with a massive exodus.
Sheep or Goat seating Sir?
Goat please.
I meant Sheep!
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