Posted on 06/07/2009 11:29:06 AM PDT by September
After reading numerous ‘Statements on the Death of George Tiller’ from high profile pro-life leaders which said ‘we must strongly condemn such senseless acts of violence’, ‘killing is never the answer’, and ‘anyone who is truly pro-life will be saddened by Dr. Tiller’s death’ I had to ask myself one question.
If a doctor went mad and began a murderous rampage killing infants in a hospital maternity ward and a good citizen stopped him with deadly force would people condemn that concerned citizen as a murderer and call his actions a senseless act of violence? That would be unthinkable. He would be extolled as brave American hero who saved babies from a deranged mass murderer.
However after the shooting of Dr. Tiller I’ve learned most people, even those who are pro-life, do not speak well of individuals who stop abortion doctors with deadly force, even though these doctors are serial child killers.
Why do these two scenarios evoke such different responses from people if children are being killed by a doctor in both cases?
The best I understand it is the children abortionists kill are the "undesirables" in our society, just like the Jews were in Hitler’s Germany. Human beings who are unwanted, dehumanized, and stripped of civil rights. Second, people do not speak well of someone who uses deadly force to stop an abortionist because it is legal for a doctor to kill these children, just like it was legal to kill Jews.
Although it was legal to kill Jews in Hitler's Germany it was not right, and the Nazis were murderers even though their laws vindicated them. Importantly, the doctors in the death camps were murderers not merely because a Tribunal said so, those doctors were murders because they committed widespread inhumane atrocities, barbaric crimes against humanity, and systematic state-sponsored extermination of millions of people.
Today abortion doctors engage in the state-sponsored extermination of millions of human beings, widespread inhumane atrocities, and barbaric crimes against humanity. In the name of civility and in an effort to save children from mass murder at the hands of an abortion doctor I do not condemn Scott Roeder for stopping a serial child killer with deadly force, but extol him as a brave American hero.
Let us pray abortion will also be criminalized as the Holocaust is.
BTW, Kansas has horrible abortion laws, the most liberal and least restrictive in the country.
Whenever we try to restrict abortion, we have to fight the “purist” prolifers who want an outright ban but support almost nothing else, and we ALSO have to fight the liars on the pro death side who claim that almost ANY restriction would go against Roe v. Wade or Doe V. Bolton.
Getting rid of those court cases, as an excuse, would really move the ball forward.
Which includes the concept of:
“innocent until proven guilty in a court of law” -—
Without knowing the shooters state of mind, or motives, you can not call it murder, prior to conviction on that charge, and be within the law, yourself, right?
“turn them to a more civilized way of thinking?”
Agreed.
“I am not sure that it was murder.”
I’m sure under the law it was murder. However this is the same “law” that makes butchering babies legal.
IMHO, we have abortion because some races of babies have monetary value. Sad, but nobody (almost) wants babies of color or disabled babies, while people line up for healthy white babies at $40K a pop.
Tiller was NOT “elderly” so why claim that he was?
He was still a practicing “doctor” of death.
If he was old enough to kill others, under the law, do not try to gin up sympathy for him by calling him “elderly” it does not wash.
I think people also forget that Americans believe in a higher law greater than man. The revolution was “illegal” too, but that didn’t make our Founding Fathers any less “civilized.”
Tiller stayed in business because he had an abundance of Liberals who were willing to seek him out and pay for his services. In certain ways, he was like a prostitute. He was an opportunist with no moral boundaries that was willing to get rich on the money of Liberals.
There will always be people like Tiller in society as long as there are a customer base willing to pay the price for the service. Our opinions do not count.
We are a nation of laws and we must work within the system, even if it takes a hundred years to change a bad law. We should never, never ever ever resort to taking a life.
We should remember the words from the bible, “The meek shall inherit the earth.” and we should be meek like the Christians who quietly prayed while they were eaten by lions in the Colosseum, or meek like Dr. Martin Luther King and the marchers of the civil rights movement.
Taking the law into one’s own hands accomplishes nothing. It doesn’t help your cause. It only gives the pro-abortion crowd ammunition to use against you. Like they have been using this abortion dr.s murder.
ONLY if that law stated that the Supreme Court, and the lower courts, had NO jurisdiction over the matter.
And, politically, this is probably not the right stand to take, in that the public does tend to support abortion in the “tough cases” and it is perfectly moral to address political reality, in the law.
That is best done at the state level.
More to the point, we should avoid federal murder charges, and let the states deal with regulation of doctors and the prosecution of illegal abortions.
We do that by simply telling the Fed courts to butt out, and the we craft our own laws, at the State level, the way our founders intended.
Is an "unarmed and unsuspecting elderly man" more or less entitled to life than the 60,000 unsuspecting human beings whose lives were snuffed out by George Tiller?
Which killing or killing(s) offends you less?
Lets teach fetuses how to shoot then!
*Yes, I know all the tut-tutters will say that what Tiller did isn't technically murder, but they'll have to try that argument on somebody else. I'm not listening.
You are absurd.
Many of the founders thought slavery was a horrible evil, but they realized that they did not have the power to stop slavery, at our founding, and instead put the new nation on a path that would, eventually, bring the matter to a head.
Recognizing reality, and trying to work within the law, does not make any of us accomplices to the evil involved.
I am “pro choice” on the question of violence.
I would not shoot an abortionist.
God does not want me to shoot abortionists, I am pretty sure.
However, I choose to leave that decision between God and other citizens.
And, until the law is changed, those who do shoot abortionists should be prosecuted.
I am hopeful that the courts go easy on them.
There is a great gap between the rule of law and the rule of “right”.
I have pondered the same question. If one was to stop with lethal force if required, a person from harming a baby, it would be “right” and probably lawful. On the other hand, Dr. Tiller “performing medical procedures” (killing unborn humans at the mothers/parents request)is not right, but it is lawful.
Killing Tiller because he performs abortions (murder if you will) is not legal. Is it “right” based on the first scenario?
The guy who decided to stop Tiller had to make that choice on his own, and live with consequences of an “unlawful” act.
The unborn are the only ones w/o a personal voice or choice. What would they be saying if we could ask them?
Seems we have fallen under the rule of man, rather than the rule of law.
God Help us.
He reportedly charged a pretty penny, but did he make “exceptions” for “hardship cases”? As a “good liberal” with a “cause” one wonders if he went “pro bono” every once in a while.
However, at our founding, as Mark Levin makes clear in his book, the founders made the slave trade illegal and formed a system of government that, eventually, outlawed the practice.
The founders who had anti slavery feelings worked within the frame work of the new government to make slavery less and less profitable and less powerful.
In fact, the idea that a Black man was only counted as 3/5 “human” for census purposes helped keep the number of Southern proslavery members of Congress at a minimum.
Counter intuitive, perhaps, but that is the truth.
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