Posted on 06/06/2009 6:24:20 AM PDT by Zakeet
I'm wary of drawing too many lessons from anonymous message board comments. One could certainly pluck comments from Beliefnet's boards to prove that we harbor either right wing or left wing extremists.
But it's worth perusing the message boards of FreeRepublic, a conservative community, to gauge the general mood of the most hardcore conservatives.
First, quite a few people are saying that murder is wrong, no matter how evil the victim was.
SnakeDoc:
Thou Shalt Not Murder. Both the shooter and the victim will be judged.Patriot preacher:
Pro-lifers should condemn this as antithetical to their philosophy and beliefs. Hopefully, the perpetrator will be apprehended and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I will shed no tears that Teller is gone -- but MURDER is MURDER.
Then a large group is making a more practical argument that this was bad because it will backfire. In fact, a startling large number believe Tiller was murdered by Obama or pro-choice allies in order to justify a crackdown on guns or civil liberties:
upchuck:
This serial-killer piece of excrement will be held up by every abortionist and every lover of abortionists as the reason why the Secret Service needs to be assigned to guard every abortionist,every abortion mill and every lover of abortions in this country.gridlock:
Obama is going to take advantage of this murder to sieze even more control over our society. I would not even put it past them to commit this murder themselves, as an excuse to sieze power. Reichstag Fire, and all that...jazminerose:
Will form the rationalization for really stomping on pro life groups. Was it one of BO's storm troopers who pulled the trigger?
Then there's a large number of people who flat-out applaud the killing. I'm going to print a lot of them because it's really unfair to pluck a few extreme quotes off any websites message boards. What's amazing is the sheer volulme of people thinking this way:
imahawk:
One less nazi as far as I am concerned.Turret Gunner A20:
Hope the guy gets away....Do you think that it would have been murder to assignate Hitler? And don't say that the question has no relevance -- this crud was a leading the killer-of-innocents criminal thugs that has already killed throughout the world far more innocents that Hitler, Stalin and Mao combined. His killer did a great service when noone else would do it.calico_thompson:
Well, at least the perp didn't rip his arms and legs off and then suck his brains out.Gaffer:
No doubt this 'man' is responsible for thousands, maybe tens-of-thousands of needless and wanton deaths. If you think his 'passing' is a bad thing in the cause of speaking out and ending the practice of abortion, I don't know what to tell you. I can only say that I shall not mourn his demise, nor shall I judge others.TheDuke:
But, wasn't this just another late term abortion(?)Slump Tester:
It's too bad the suspect didn't poke a roto rooter through his skull and then suck him into a vacuum cleaner instead of just shooting the bastard.SampleMan:
Whether he will be judged as a murderer by God may be an open question, and none of us know the answer. In 1942 Reinhard Heydrich was killed in Prague in cold blood. Czech commandos committed what was by the law of the land murder. They were from a country that had surrendered and they were not in uniform. They did this because he was orchestrating the destruction of the Czech people. Did they kill a tyrant or commit murder or both? There is also the case of course of John Brown and slavery. Yes we must obey our laws, until we can no longer live with the result of not obeying them.babygene:
killing to prevent a serial killer from claiming his next victim probably doesn't fit into the category of murder...Cheetahcat:
Nothing to see here just his last abortion this one many trimesters Post Birth.Ahithophel:
He will till no more in the bloody garden of evisceration.UnwashedPeasant:
What kind of "church" was this? The Wright kind?steve86:
I guess the allies should not have killed a single Nazi soldier in WWII?eccentric:
It is not murder to kill someone to save someone else's life.353FMG:
The shooter had to kill in order to save the lives of numerous future children. If the shooter is considered a murderer, then so are our brave soldiers. They (the soldiers) have to kill in order to save our lives from the constant threat of terrorism.mrsmel:
It's too bad, when murderers on the left who really did target innocent people are rewarded and lauded. This man Tiller was responsible for the horrific deaths of thousands of innocent babies, and we are supposed to be shame-faced that someone stopped him in his tracks from jabbing scissors into yet another babies' head and sucking their life out.
and from another thread:
Canedawg:
i wouldnt feel too badly if some of the communists in our govt met a similar fate. That doesnt mean i am about to go around killing anyone, but if someone else does the deed, i wont be crying over the tainted blood of treasonous actors and infanticiders.Glenn:
How about rejoicing for all the children this "Doctor" will not murder now?Flintlock:
I tried to get upset about this.
I failed.
My bad, I guess.stockpirate:
God BLESS the man that killed Tiller.
It is time the left started to feel the wrath of conservatives.
There is a time for peace and a time for war.
Jesus said I came not to bring peace but a sword. Those who beat their swords into plows will plow for those who do not.
A people unwilling to use extreme violence to preserve their liberty deserve the tyrants that rule them. The two phrases are written over the doors of the Justice Department in DC, "Repression breeds violence" and "Where justice ends, tyranny begins"
Certainly the unborn are suffering under the boot of tyranny and are being repressed by the ungodly.
Rightous men have an obligation to change the wanton murder of the unborn.
A nation that allows the murder of the unborn deserves God's harsh judgement.
and this thread:
Lexington Green:
What goes around...newfreep:
Whatever "church" Tiller attends must be worshipping satan.IDRATHERNOT:
Tiller Shot & Killed? Thousands of unborn children claim self defense.wardaddy:
he reaped what he's sowed same as anyone so evilSloth:
*shrug* Genocide has consequences.The Sons of Liberty:
Shooting was too good for him. Too bad his body wasn't torn to pieces like his victims.
May he burn in hell for eternity.wardaddy:
This guy wa a monster period.
Did you cry when Dahmer got killed in the joint?
Would you worry about Manson?
nothing personal but ya'll are soft as butter.
I make no apologies whatsoever, folks here will be ill prepared for where we're headed.whatisthetruth:
I'm only surprised this didn't happen sooner, couldn't have happened to a better man, IMO.P-Marlowe:
If you TRULY believe that Abortion is murder, then you cannot condemn anyone who would do anything to stop this mass murderer from continuing in his crimes. This is where the rubber meets the road. If you call abortion murder, then this was justifiable homicide. If abortion is not murder, then Tiller was the victim of a heinous crime and his killer should be condemned.mjp:
Sometimes retaliatory force is necessary to stop initiation of force by those who are violating natural rights. Preservation of life and natural rights of the innocent is a natural duty that God requires.tips up:
If the killer just put scissors into his skull, it would be considered a late term abortion (60+ years late) and he would be a hero of the left, rather than a domestic terrorist.gscc:
I suppose if Hitler had been assassinated there would have been many "good" Germans who would have looked at the assassin as a "crazy". Let's face it - this country has lost it's soul. We live in a post-Judeo-Christian nation and it will only go down hill from here. There will certainly be many "good" Americans that lament the passing of this evil man. With a federal government, press and apostate "church" firmly entrenched in liberal secular theology we are witnessing the end of the founder's America.MichiganConservative:
It's abortion in the 272nd tri-mester (ROTFLMAO)
Post-extraction lead-induced termination.
No conversation such as this is allowed on leftist boards such as DU or KOS. There is ONE opinion only. Any sort of deviation from the Party Line is preceded with profuse apologies for daring to rock the boat, if only a little.
Regardless of how anyone feels or what views are expressed about the murder of Tiller, the debate here is what is meant by Free Speech.
A few years back I took my father, he is 95 now, back to the old family homesteads in Methuen and South Lawrence. The places were not recognizable. However he just this past week received a news clipping about the shad and alewives returning to the Merrimac River near the dam in Lawrence.
To him, the river being cleaned up after years of abuse from the mills and cities promiscuous dumping was a sign of hope.
Gosh, I’m famous!
Pinging all quoted.
I did not feel out of line with my post and the Guy Killed 60,000 Babies in closing I do not feel that he or that fact should go unnoticed.
“Few conversations are as entertaining or enlightening as a family fight on Free Republic.
No conversation such as this is allowed on leftist boards such as DU or KOS. There is ONE opinion only. Any sort of deviation from the Party Line is preceded with profuse apologies for daring to rock the boat, if only a little.
Regardless of how anyone feels or what views are expressed about the murder of Tiller, the debate here is what is meant by Free Speech.”
Nice post thank you.
Hope of what? We may have cleaner rivers (and indeed we do), but our politics is as disgustingly filthy as ever. It seems that is something that never gets cleaned up around here....
May God bless your Dad! Ninety-five and still capable of hope! That is truly inspiring to me.
WOW! I’m honored to have made second place on the Honor Roll part of that cruddy slobber piece over the killing of tht murderous slimeball.
Why is it so hard for pinheads like you to understand that continuing to slobber over the death of one murderer amongst the thousands who gleefully have murdered over FIFTY MILLION innocent childrem, in this country alone, since the phony lawsuit -- Roe v. Wade -- gave free licence to any such puke as may want to make a living that way, to murder children , IS NOT going to stop the slaughter?
I'm a bit more concerned for lives of the unborn children than I am about the welfare of a toothless cause which is getting nowhere after decades of sniveling, weeping, moaning and gnashing of teeth.
Never in the mad history of this sorry world has such mass slaughter been condoned by law. The law is supposed to protect people's lives and rights; not condone and encourage the wanton snuffing out of those precious gifts from God.
Don't like free speech, huh??? Looks like you had better get on over to Dimmo Underground where you belong.
I douby if you will be missed by many.
Uh, the storm trooper line was not mine.
Scary stuff!
Of course they will....if a trial lawyer doesn't beat them to it first.
And they will have a good case.
In Christianity, the hope of broadcasting our message of Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection is that there will be those who hear and turn to Christ. As people of the gospel message, we DO believe that a message believed CAN change behavior.
We believe in "inciting" to salvation.
The pro-life movement is sadly mistaken if they think their security lies in denying their complicity. Their security lies in taking the offensive, and shouting from the rooftops that the right to life guaranteed in the constitution and stolen by judicial fiat is their justification for calling murder murder.
They can be weak or they can be strong. We don't know that Roeder killed for pro-life reasons, but we do know that, if it were for pro-life reasons, then he fired before the commander's instructions. He hadn't yet seen the whites of their eyes. In fact, the commander hasn't yet been found, and the troops haven't yet been assembled.
Disenfranchisement = Usurpation.
Excellent post!
Ya’ll are all girlymen.
Modrut Waldman quoted me TWICE.
I must have done good.
Methinks he is probably one of those “no one really likes abortion, but” types
he reminds me of how Vanderbilt has an atheist on it’s Divinity college staff..with his belief.net site...what does he believe in?...besides hits
The more I read about Waldman the more I realize he’s a fakir.
a lefty relativist hiding behind an interest in religion
Evidently Dr. Tiller did not resonate to that message, and willfully so. That way his chosen "behavior" could proceed unimpeded.
I do believe that "evil" has become a dirty word among Christians. We dare not name it, for fear that our lives would be made miserable if we do.
As for me, I cheer myself up by contemplating the following verses:
“They begin to depart who begin to love. Many there are who depart and not know it. For their walk of departure is a movement of the heart. And yet they depart from Babylon.”
Modrut Waldman quoted me TWICE.
I must have done good.
Methinks he is probably one of those “no one really likes abortion, but” types
he reminds me of how Vanderbilt has an atheist on it’s Divinity college staff..with his belief.net site...what does he believe in?...besides hits
Could be worse Much Worse We could be them; a basket case nothing in life and a firery eternity awaiting at the end.
I believe you may have either misunderstood me or missed my point. The people who came to this country came to this country legally to escape religious persecution. AFTER the Revolutionary War, this country was founded upon Christian principles of freedom. But the Revolutionary War was not fought for religious reasons. It was fought for economic reasons-no more than what Castro fought his war for. The difference was intent.
Moral relativists hold that no universal standard exists by which to assess an ethical proposition's truth. Of course there is ethical propositions of truth by which we can subscribe. That doesn't mean we should overthrow governments because it violates our ethics.
If someone want to defend murdering someone to stop a murder, that to me seems pose an "ethical dilemma" for them, now doesn't it? What is the univeral standard? Personally, I would say the universal standard is "Thou shall not murder.", period. In this case, who's the moral relativist?
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