Posted on 05/21/2009 8:05:48 AM PDT by markomalley
WASHINGTON — President Obama told human rights advocates at the White House on Wednesday that he was mulling the need for a “preventive detention” system that would establish a legal basis for the United States to incarcerate terrorism suspects who are deemed a threat to national security but cannot be tried, two participants in the private session said.
The discussion, in a 90-minute meeting in the Cabinet Room that included Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. and other top administration officials, came on the eve of a much-anticipated speech Mr. Obama is to give Thursday on a number of thorny national security matters, including his promise to close the detention center at the naval base in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.
Human rights advocates are growing deeply uneasy with Mr. Obama’s stance on these issues, especially his recent move to block the release of photographs showing abuse of detainees, and his announcement that he is willing to try terrorism suspects in military commissions — a concept he criticized bitterly as a presidential candidate.
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Verordnung des Reichspräsidenten zum Schutz von Volk und Staat. Vom 28. Februar 1933
Auf Grund des Artikels 48 Abs. 2 der Reichsverfassung wird zur Abwehr kommunistischer staatsgefährdender Gewaltakte folgendes verordnet:
§ 1
Die Artikel 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 und 153 der Verfassung des Deutschen Reichs werden bis auf weiteres außer Kraft gesetzt. Es sind daher Beschränkungen der persönlichen Freiheit, des Rechts der freien Meinungsäußerung, einschließlich der Pressefreiheit, des Vereins- und Versammlungsrechts, Eingriffe in das Brief-, Post-, Telegraphen- und Fernsprechgeheimnis, Anordnungen von Haussuchungen und von Beschlagnahmen sowie Beschränkungen des Eigentums auch außerhalb der sonst hierfür bestimmten gesetzlichen Grenzen zulässig.
§ 2
Werden in einem Lande die zur Wiederherstellung der öffentlichen Sicherheit und Ordnung nötigen Maßnahmen nicht getroffen, so kann die Reichsregierung insoweit die Befugnisse der obersten Landesbehörde vorübergehend wahrnehmen.
§ 3
Die Behörden der Länder und Gemeinden (Gemeindeverbände) haben den auf Grund des § 2 erlassenen Anordnungen der Reichsregierung im Rahmen ihrer Zuständigkeit Folge zu leisten.
§ 4
Wer den von den obersten Landesbehörden oder den ihnen nachgeordneten Behörden zur Durchführung dieser Verordnung erlassenen Anordnungen oder den von der Reichsregierung gemäß § 2 erlassenen Anordnungen zuwiderhandelt oder wer zu solcher Zuwiderhandlung auffordert oder anreizt, wird, soweit nicht die Tat nach anderen Vorschriften mit einer schwereren Strafe bedroht ist, mit Gefängnis nicht unter einem Monat oder mit Geldstrafe von 150 bis zu 15000 Reichsmark bestraft.
Wer durch Zuwiderhandlung nach Abs. 1 eine gemeine Gefahr für Menschenleben herbeiführt, wird mit Zuchthaus, bei mildernden Umständen mit Gefängnis nicht unter sechs Monaten und, wenn die Zuwiderhandlung den Tod eines Menschen verursacht, mit dem Tode, bei mildernden Umständen mit Zuchthaus nicht unter zwei Jahren bestraft. Daneben kann auf Vermögenseinziehung erkannt werden.
Wer zu einer gemeingefährlichen Zuwiderhandlung (Abs. 2) auffordert oder anreizt, wird mit Zuchthaus, bei mildernden Umständen mit Gefängnis nicht unter drei Monaten bestraft.
The key paragraphs are 1 and 4(2). Sounds exactly what Ø is proposing here!
Ummmmmm, yeah.
If Bush had proposed the same thing, would we be calling him a Nazi? For some of the terrorists at Gitmo, this may be necessary.
Golly, I guess there is something to those ‘FEMA Camps’.
Obama’s 4 years cannot pass fast enough.
I can’t believe he’s standing in FRONT of the Constitution READING this stuff. Geez, why doesn’t he just send an email ... he will read anything the teleprompter tells him. Such a fake ... and with the Constitution right behind him. He should turn around and read it!
Uhhh... dude, that’s in German.
Starting with Bill Ayers?
These “human rights” people would be OK with obama doing this to US citizens ... just not terrorist suspects
Obama is a Nazi piece of dogsh*t for even considering this. He's not doing it to go after muslim terrorists; he's doing this to go after all of the Right.
CWII BUMP
Sounds remarkably like Gitmo, except for who might qualify for admittance...
Well, I didn't say it above a whisper (around here), but I was not in favor of establishment of either DHS or the DNI.
The rationale I used was that certain powers are required during wartime, but structural changes are dangerous because of administrations that would come in later and abuse it (I was thinking about Hitlery at the time...Bambi was not even imaginable in my worst nightmare)
Also, IIRC, Bush did what he did with Gitmo exactly because he knew that constitutionally he couldn't do so within CONUS.
But, since Congress and the Press are total Ø lapdogs, this won't ever meet more than Page A-18 coverage.
Exactly—HolyO channeling Dubya ping!
(Although HolyO’s reasons may be more sinister than liberals ever thought President Bush’s were!)
What about for anti-abortion activists and gun “enthusiasts”?
Paragraph 1 translated-
The articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the condition of the German Reich are repealed set until further notice. There is from there restrictions of the personal freedom, the right of the free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press, the association and meeting right, interferences in the letter, post office, telegraph and telephone secret, arrangements of house searches and of seizures as well as restrictions of the property also outside of the legal borders otherwise for this determined permissible.
Paragraph 4 translated-
Who contravenes the arrangements issued from the highest Land authorities or to them the subordinate authorities to the execution of this regulation or from the realm government in accordance with § 2 issued arrangements or who requests or stimulates to such offence, as far as the act according to other regulations is not threatened with a heavier punishment, with prison under one month or with fine from 150 to 15000 realm Marks one does not punish.
I don’t see a large problem with this as long as it applies to non-citizens. All full Constitutional rights MUST apply to citizens, without exception, but I think exactly which apply to non-citizens can be a matter of statute.
I forgot the part of the Geneva Conventions where it affords protection to terrorists.
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