Posted on 05/20/2009 9:26:48 AM PDT by nuconvert
DUBLIN – A fiercely debated, long-delayed investigation into Ireland's Roman Catholic-run institutions says priests and nuns terrorized thousands of boys and girls in workhouse-style schools for decades — and government inspectors failed to stop the chronic beatings, rapes and humiliation.
Nine years in the making, Wednesday's 2,600-page report sides almost completely with the horrific reports of abuse from former students sent to more than 250 church-run, mostly residential institutions.
It concluded that church officials always shielded their orders' pedophiles from arrest to protect their own reputations and, according to documents uncovered in the Vatican, knew that many pedophiles were serial attackers.
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The fact that he pinged Alex Murphy (with the reputation he has) to the thread shows what the intent was.
Don't forget to tell your mom that Alex said "hey"
Please note I also included NYer and Salvation.
I try to assure an fair representation when possible.
That is, “...a fair representation when possible.”
If I were a Catholic, I’d certainly be demanding some accountability and corrections. I can understand why some folks wouldn’t want to completely abandon their church over this, but I would be extremely troubled by the reports.
I remain a bit skeptical about the total truth on much of this. I’m not interested in denying injured parties their day, but I don’t want the media and special anti-faith interests to be able to manipulate this situation to further their own goals either.
I would honestly like to know more about all this. What types of infractions are proven without a doubt. How widespread were they actually. What forms of physical abuse actually took place on a daily or frequent basis.
Look, I’ve seen abuse cases blown out to near demonic proportions, only to find out none of it took place, so I am quite skeptical of these situations.
Anyone remember the McMartins? Oh they were terrible people. The media whacked them daily for years. Then we found that it was all a big hoax.
I’m just not inclined to believe everything I hear these days without a lot more proof and details.
>>Psychology is not considered an authority on such matters in Protestant churches.<<
Of course! That’s why there is NEVER any child abuse in Protestant churches.
And I’m not sure where you are getting that it was “legal” to abuse children. Except in your clouded view.
When I worked Psych, we thought that the people were curable. That meant that they would be left in their lives and treated. It was a horrible mistake but it was done. There is an amount of blame for the doctors treating them as well.
I knew a few others, in the witch-hunt atmosphere of the 1980s, who had their lives damaged by false accusations.
Obviously you've never read this.
The real Murphy exposes himself for the punk that he is.
“Obviously you’ve never read this.”
I’ve read lots of stuff, but one book that is MOST important takes most of my reading time!
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1 Cor 6: ... 9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
12All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
13Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
14And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
15Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s...
Add my husband to the list of surprised, adult converts as well.
There is alot of prejudice, of all stripes, out there.
Your dad says "hi", BTW.
No. also, the statute of limitations on these crimes was over decades ago. By the time a child grows up and can do anything about it - it is too late.
Yes, it was really ugly. Hope your acquaintances fared okay.
1 Cor 10: 1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
12Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
13There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. - KJV
They came through on the other side, and with the grace of God have rebuilt their lives.
Unfortunately, the CC’s past actions *screw the pooch*, so to speak.
Yes, state employees would have had the book thrown at them, too, when the statute of limitations hadn’t expired. There are plenty of teachers being caught having sex with students every day in public schools as it is. It’s easy to do a search on it, as some get posted here.
For an institution to cover it up when it has the information in hand, as the Catholic church has done, is criminal.
When local administrators first covered it up, when it got out to the next level, the press and the rest of us find out. In the Catholic church, the press never found out because the next level was the diocese, which covered it up. When that became too much to hold back, the Vatican found out, and they sat on it, as proven by the documents brought before the Irish court.
The Catholic church is a cesspool of corrupt leaders leading generally decent people.
Roman Catholic indoctrination prevents that. Lose the church, according to them, means lose your salvation... God doesn't get to make that decision in the Roman scheme!
Of course, Paul spoke differently!
Romans 4: 9Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham's faith was credited to him as righteousness. 10Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before! 11And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them. 12And he is also the father of the circumcised who not only are circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.
13It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, 15because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.
16Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all. 17As it is written: "I have made you a father of many nations."[c] He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed—the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.
18Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, "So shall your offspring be."[d] 19Without weakening in his faith, he faced the fact that his body was as good as dead—since he was about a hundred years old—and that Sarah's womb was also dead. 20Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. 22This is why "it was credited to him as righteousness." 23The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone, 24but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. 25He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification. -NIV
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