Posted on 05/12/2009 11:46:25 AM PDT by cycle of discernment
Townhall.com May 12, 2009
Generally, folks don't know that Hawaii law, even in 1961, provided for multiple kinds of birth records, most of which are not what people think of when they think of birth certificates. The following is a description of those, including certificates for people not born in Hawaii. Go figure!
1. In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were three different birth certificates that were obtainable: a. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961). b. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or mid wife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, an adult could, upon testimony, file a “Delayed Certificate”, which required endorsement on the Delayed Certificate of a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing, which evidence must be kept in a special permanent file. The statute provided that the probative value of the Delayed Certificate must be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence. (See Section 57-18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961). c. If a child born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult including the subject person) if the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year. (See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
2. In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fourth kind of birth certificate for children born outside of the Territory or State of Hawaii. HRS Chapter 338 was amended to add a new section authorizing the Director of the Department of Health to issue a birth certificate for a person NOT born in Hawaii either as a Territory or State, upon sufficient proof that the legal parents of such individual had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth of such child.
3. The language of the statute clearly applies to births in the days of the Territory of Hawaii, so also births in 1961.
4. A press release concerning numerous questions raised across the country as to whether or not Obama was a natural born citizen was issued on October 31, 2008 by the Hawaii Department of Health by its Director, Dr. Chiyome Fukino.
5. In that very carefully worded press release, Dr. Fukino said that she had “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”
6. The intentional ambiguity of that statement raises more questions that it answered.
7. That statement failed to resolve any of the questions being raised by litigation across the country over the issue of Obama’s birth and qualifications for the office of the President of the United States, including: a. The specific type of certificate was not identified. Could it be the certificate for someone born outside of the State of Hawaii? b. Being “on record” could mean either that its contents are in the computer database of the department or an actual “vault” original. If the latter, those are the words used to describe what is there. The data base record could have been entered based on a birth record for someone born outside of Hawaii. c. Therefore, the value as prima facie evidence is limited and easily overcome if any of the allegations of substantial evidence of birth outside Hawaii can be obtained and verified with a Court Order.
8. It should also be noted that in the face of all this litigation, the simple presentation of Obama’s vault birth records would put the questions to rest.
9. Obama has not taken this approach to a single one of the cases, but instead has hired legal counsel across the country at no small expense to defend the claims with motions to dismiss on standing and similar procedural grounds.
10. Such response to the request for proof that he is qualified to serve as President of the United States of America only serves to raise more questions about this election.
Yep -- links please.
Yes, exactly. That's what I said a month ago to Why Obama will never show his vault birth certificate:
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As a matter of record (and "Record" is the operative word here), when Fukino made her "earth-shaking" announcement on Oct. 31, that she and Dr. Onaka had "personally seen and verified" that they have "Barack Obama's original birth certificate on record," they may not have even looked at a physical piece of paper!
They could have been staring at an envelope in which the original birth certificate would have been sealed when it was exchanged for a Hawaiian COLB up to a year after Obama was born. Heck, the envelope could have been empty, or contain a blank sheet of paper for all we were NOT told.
They could have been staring at a computer screen with a database RECORD on which the date of the late birth registration was entered and the country of origin for the original birth certificate accepted for exchange.
What else could "on record," mean? One one thing that Fukino and Onaka NEVER SAID was that Obama was born in Hawaii. You can bet your bottom dollar that if they knew Obama was a Hawaiian homey, there would be a State-sponsored luau in Obama's honor still be going on.
The two of them ought to go on "Dancing with the Stars" the way they danced around Obama's birth certificate issue.
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CertificaTION of Live Birth -- A computer-generated printout of the source birth record document(s).
The Hawaiian "CertificaTION of Live Birth" -- 13 fields of data:
You can bet your bottom dollar that if they knew Obama was a Hawaiian homey, there would be a State-sponsored luau in Obama's honor still going on.
Knowing that it was a HUGE issue whether or not he was actual born in Hawaii... Don't you think those officials would've have actually come out and stated..."Yes, he DEFINITELY was born here in Hawaii, and we can verify that!"
The reason they probably didn't was because they knew that if the certificate ever sees the light of day, they'd be shown to be liars and now they can say... "We NEVER said he was born in Hawaii, check the transcript!"
Oh, yeah, I said last year when this thing came out that if they discovered that Obama really was born in Hawaii, the state would have thrown him a year-long luau in his honor.
It's like a man finding out from a DNA test that the most famous person in America is not his biological son. He would say, "I've been with the same woman for 20 years and totally faithful to her. I was with her when she got pregnant, when she went into labor, and I talked her through his birth. I've been a model father."
All true, sociologically, but not biologically.
That’s funny...I just did! ;-)
Yet Hawai’i did manage to schedule a luau to celebrate islam Day, on 9/11...
What’s up with that?
As presented, I agree with you. However, there absolutely was a conspiracy to lie, distort, and deceive the public about the validity the COLB posted online (a year ago June 12), AS WELL AS to crush all criticisms and honest discussions about it through public humiliation, slander, and bogus "analyses," perpetuated by media outlets, self-proclaimed "fact checking" sites, Obama supporters and apologists, disinenguous graphics "experts," and everybody else who wanted to take shots at me because I had the audacity to provide evidence to the contrary, and to withstand all that they could hurl my way.
The BIGGEST lie of all is that the liberal Left has no equal when it comes to conspiracy theories. The shear number and diversity of bizzare conspiracy theories spouted by the Left about 9/11 is unprecedented in history. They began the Truth Movement. They called the account of Al Qaeda, Bin Laden, and the 19 hijackers the Bush Administration's conspiracy. and every possible alternative was accepted as gospel.
The irony about all of the crap that they gave Phil Berg for bringing the first lawsuit against Obama, calling him a "Truther," is that nowhere in the entire history of the Truth Movement and its many copycats is Berg, a Democrat, ever mentioned!
I have to say, in all candor, that if forging a COLB was the worst thing that Obama has ever done, and ever will do, our country would be far better off than everything else he has done in less than four months in office.
The fradulent COLB has become iconic of a fradulent man, a fraudulent family, a fraudulent biography, a fraudulent Administration, a fraudulent election, and millions of fraudulent supporters.
The fraudulent COLB was neither the beginning nor the end of ZERO's web of deception. It should be, however, a reminder to everyone that the cover-up of an illegal act can be more egregious than the act itself.
First off go to factcheck.org and click on the link that contains info about the employees of factcheck and you will discover that the two employees granted access to the C.O.L.B. are NOT document experts one has a Phd in Philosphy while the other has an M.A. in English Lit.(Her B.A. was in the history of Science) Then go to google and type in who lived in the birth announcement home listed as the home of Mr and Mrs B H Obama in August 1961.(That article also appeared in “World Net Daily” but I had investigated the info as far back as late October/08 when I discovered who the owners of the property were in 1961) The owners of the home were Orland and Thelma Lefforge. Stanley Armour and Madelyn Dunham lived at a home on Kamehameha Ave. from the time they moved to HI in 1960 until they moved to a home on University Ave sometime in 1963 after Ann returned to the island and this is even documented by Jr himself in his book on page 39 when he talks of the walks he took with his father during the month long visits when they took walks past the private landmarks of a family. Finally you may also google for the story published in “World Net Daily” of the interview a detective had with the neighbor of the birth announcement home who gave testimony that there was never a young white woman and black baby living at that home.
When Obama Sr moved to HI in June of 1959 it has been well documented that he originally lived in a room at the Atherton Y.M.C.A. but later moved to a small, single story wooden home located at 625 11thAve located in the St louis Heights area.
Freeper John Valentine has also verified these facts, not to mention aside from the birth announcement home all of the other addresses were located within a 1/2 mile of the University of Hawaii at Manoa.
You might also be aware of the fact that the area where the birth announcement home is located is the most expensive area in all of Ohau because of its location so close to the ocean, much too expensive for a mortgage adminstrator and her furniture salesman sending their daughter to school at out of state fees. The price would definitely be out of reach for a couple of University students when one already had a home he maintained over seven miles away.
Also absolutely NO mention is ever made of that birth announcement home in the “biography” of Jr which was written by David Mendell who was given unprecendented access to Jr and his family and was the only one who was ever allowed access to Madelyn Dunham, albeit a tightly controlled 30 minute interview which was abruptly cut short.
Oh, come on. This doesn’t require a deep conspiracy. All it requires is a loving grandmother worried that her grandson is screwed out of his US citizenship by his irresponsible mother running off to Kenya.
Your problemis that you are predisposed to an untenable conclusion. That birth announcement is suspect for me because it lists a place of resodence that is, frankly speaking, as unlikely as an address on the planet Mars.
There is NO WAY that Obama Sr., Madelyn Dunham, Stanly Ann Dunham, or anyone in the Dunham family lived at the address claimed for Obama Sr. And Stanley Ann. It’s bogus. The Dunhams lived on Kamehameha Street in 1961, just down the street from me, it so happens. I don’t know where 17 year-old Stanley Ann lived, but I know she didn’t live on the “Gold Coast”
I of course meant a conspiracy that went all the way back to 1961, which is the strawman that folks use when they want to humiliate, slander, etc, etc, anyone who even admits the possibility that The One is not eligible to the Office of President.
The acount holding the image of the CertifcATE has been suspended. Or at least that is the message I get when I copy it’s URL and try to open it in another window. Here it’s just a Red X.
Thank you for the ping, Phil!
I couldn’t help but chuckle at the graphic.
There’s not a lot to chuckle about lately, so thank you.
Great stuff, Chief!
Thank you for documenting it on this thread.
Quite welcome, I have to document while I still can, my future is extremely uncertain at this point.
I know...bless your heart.
I can’t imagine having to live that way.
I hope you find what you need very soon.
God bless...
They could have been staring at a computer screen with a database RECORD on which the date of the late birth registration was entered and the country of origin for the original birth certificate accepted for exchange.
CertificaTION of Live Birth -- A computer-generated printout of the source birth record document(s).
The Hawaiian "CertificaTION of Live Birth" -- 13 fields of data:
The king would never lie..
Yep, the birth announcement is not credible as it contains factually inaccurate information. The two "parents" were not married at the time, it was not possible, and the address is neither the grandmother's address or the alleged father's address. An announcement could have been generated when a delayed or out of state certificate was filed or phoned in, it's not dispositive of anything other than a factually inaccurate announcement which could have been generated in different ways.
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