Posted on 05/01/2009 2:44:31 PM PDT by neverdem
Sometimes I think Bart is more conservative than my congressman Upton.
Stupak actively supported John Edwards for President before he crashed and burned. So, a more liberal guy you won’t find on many issues. He represents an area in northern Michigan where my Mom lives. He’s a Yoopper, too. So, how did he get so liberal????
The UP isn't as democrat as it used to be. It voted for Dukakis, and later for Bush twice, but still has a lot of its democrat heritage on the state level. Much of that has to do with Dominic Jacobetti and Joe Mack who represented the UP in Lansing. They were the Senator Byrds on the state level.
As for Stupak, he's pro-life, and recently kissed and made up with the NRA so he's popular with them again. On economics, the UP leans center-left. Stupak fits the profile.
Thanks for the information - it all makes more sense now.
I only see a complete disconnect from reality, basically, if a person [convicted 'felon' or otherwise] is deemed too dangerous to be armed [as if they wont be if they want to be] why are they walking around free on the streets with my wife and kids ???
i could see maybe a probation period along the lines of the current parole system, but even thats a stretch regarding human God given self defense...
i have 'felons' in my family, as well as Im sure some of my old runnin buddies from the wild days...Id hate to think that if a coyote was after my 2 yr old daughter that one of them would hafta balance their potential freedom vs saving her life...I know thats pretty unrealistic...but hey its 'the law'...
The NRA, as wishy-washy as it's ever been if not more, is trying to have it both ways.
The instant you have a ban of any sort on possession, no matter how limited the ban, you have background checks, waiting periods, bureaucracies, bureaucratic snafus AND the camel's nose of "regulation" leading to prohibition fully under the tent.
I say let convicted felons own guns after release -- after all, history shows if they're going to use guns to commit new crimes the prohibition doesn't even slow them down. (All it does is make gun ownership more onerous for law-abiding folks.) BUT... if you have a prior felony gun-related conviction and commit a new crime with a gun, you should be looking at Life Without (parole or any other release other than reversal).
But way too many FReepers, and others who "think" by "feeling," feel this would be a bad idea.
So it will never happen.
Instead, your gun ownership rights will continue to be eroded.
With your consent.
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There is always a guy like you in every political foxhole that sees clearer than the rest of us and grabs his weapon and charges forward while the rest of us are still looking out through the fog. I was thinking the same thing but didn't take it to it's logical conclusion or maybe was too cautious to say it.
You are right but I'm afraid the culture has become way too feminized and sensitive to agree with us. But with more guys like you to say these things openly, the more other people will "think" and not just "feel", as you say.
- Title 18, Part I, Chapter 44 of the U.S. Code is hereby repealed.
- Title 26, Subtitle E, Chapter 53 of the U.S. Code is hereby repealed.
(Title 18, Chapter 44 is the chapter dealing with federal criminal laws with respect to firearms, and can be found, for instance, here at Cornell. Title 26, Chapter 53 is the chapter of the Internal Revenue Code that is an utter blight on the RKBA; it can be found here at Cornell also.)
Thanks for the ping!
Home invasion fears are somewhat unrealistic too, but I have a very limited view when it comes to who should be unable to defend themselves (and their families) against such an attack.
I do think the infringements should be limited to people who have displayed decisions in the past, that would make them a clear physical threat.
It’s a human right to be able to defend yourself, now, or if society should go south in your area.
Not drawing a comparison, mind you, but the last guy I heard vocalize that sentiment was in a gun shop, asking the clerk for enough 9mm ammo to go shoot up a neighboring city's police station. It seems that they'd taken away his weed.
There is no principled support for the 2nd amendment at upper GOP leadership levels, it is just another bargaining chip, and negotiable as such.
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Unfortunately, with a Commiecrat party without scrupples, in a 2 party system, that's how you end up with a 2006 and 2008! And I agree we have ACORN, the NRA (and other gutless RINOs) to thank for all this 'entertainment' for the next 4 years. Just that old saw 'feed the crocodile and you'll be the last one eaten' keeps coming to mind. Never quite seemed to work out that way in the past. Many of us ditched our 'pro-gun' Democrat friends when we found out they're lying about everything else, too!
Actually, you have in your mind the image of a traditional law enforcement officer, not one that is a product of the public schools within the last 20 years. Kids today are taught (nationwide) that guns are for the police and the military. Therefore police officers tend to approach the job with a sense of entitlement and elitism. Yes they really do want to bust the bad guys and all that but they feel uniquely threatened by the reality of a lawfully armed citizen.
What is is taught in the public schools? Abortion on demand. Gay marriage. Gay adoption, Socialism. Communism. Fascism. Anything except capitalism, free market concepts and traditional Christ based morality. Conservatism tends to be ridiculed K-12 and at the higher levels of academia, crushed. Toss the traditional "Three R's" right out the window. "Readin, 'Rightin' and 'Rithmatic are gone in favor of outcome based education. The new religion now actually promoted in schools as it seems to be nationally, even globally, is environmentalism. Face it, the world looks a lot less like the visions of the Founding Fathers and a lot more like the Book of Revelation.
In other words, the world is proceeding exactly according to PLAN. It's a plan that can't be stopped and indeed, is nearing total completion. So buckle up. The ride is going to get bumpy.
...interesting...
I agree with your comments nearly in total. I must say, I still cannot watch what passes for reasoned thought on the left ‘anti-police’ anti ‘law-enforcement’ anti ‘reasoned sentencing’, advocating putting ‘criminals’ back on the streets, then vote for the Democrats.
I wouldn’t go out and risk my life every shift and vote for the folks who would morn the loss of a dead drug dealer, more than the loss of a good police officer.
I’m with Stupak. I think I’ll get a t-shirt made.
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