Posted on 04/22/2009 3:59:08 PM PDT by AJKauf
I am offended, just like an old-fashioned feminist. So, Im sure, is Mother Gaia herself. Offended, because Obamas Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has just officially declared carbon dioxide (CO2) to be a poison. (Sigh.)
You cant even expel air anymore without ticking off our PC commissars.
Did you know you can die from drinking too much distilled water? Or from breathing too much pure oxygen? Oxidation products actually kill people they cause a huge variety of fatal diseases. The only solution is to stop breathing.
All the molecules of life are also molecules of death. The old medicos used to say, Its the dose that makes the poison. Perfectly safe substances can kill you if you take enough of them, or if you use the wrong channels to put them into your body. Inject fresh mountain air into your veins and youre dead. You can choke on a nice big vitamin pill.
All substances are potential poisons, but if youre Obamas EPA you make it CO2. Wonder why?...
(Excerpt) Read more at pajamasmedia.com ...
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At least we have lots of nice caves hereabout. Damp, but not too cold or too hot. (98% humidty, 71 degrees or near that depending on the cave) Many virtually unexplored too. Quite likely many undiscovered as well, but a little work with a thumper truck would fix that.
Yeah, let’s get rid of CO2 so that the plants/trees will die. I mean, if it is poison we need to get rid of it. These people are idiots!
Plants respire in addition to photosynthesizing. Excessive plant growth in a pond can deplete the O2 supply dissolved in the water due to plant respiration, and cause a fish kill.
The average temperature today is around 15 deg C.
think about it for a second. ALL scientists will agree with this point that we are in a brief warm period during the middle of an ice age, it is just a matter of time when we plunge back into the cold period of the ice age that we are experiencing. It isn't a matter of 'if' it is a matter of when.
While we are screwing around with global warming the real threat is the coming ice age. It could be a thousand years off or it could be tomorrow we only know it usually happens suddenly. I would expect 2/3's of the population of the earth will die if not more.
Now it's a poison?
God, is there anything to stop these inane, destructive freaks?
Well who will we pay the estimated $3,700 a year extra we will be charged for producing CO2. The IMF (the International Monetary Fund) or other world organization. That helps fund the One World Government and the policing to make sure we are only producing our “fair share”. Of course this helps finance our own slavery.
If you buy into the fact that CO2 is a “bad gas” then you get taxes and then get World Government. This will further collapse the US Government. This of course is one of the goals of the New World Order. Wake up out there.
These people cut their teeth on the radical 60's notion that our world was going to die because of man and overpopulation.
It is not surprising they want to place limits on CO2 emissions because they want to p;ace limits on mankind itself.
Today's environmental laws will become the basis for tomorrows population control. China's "one child" law is not very far from us.
p;ace = place
forgot the cardinal preview rule.....
Oh my we’re doomed!!
I read your link and the concentrations / toxicity levels seemed awfully high to me, but I was going from memory.
Anyway, I went back and actually found the reference I was "quoting" ( if my faulty memory can be considered a quote ) and here is some of what I found.
The NIOSH Recommended Exposure Limit for CO2 in workplaces is 0.5% (5,000 ppm) for a 40-hour workweek (TWA = Total Weekly Average) and 3.0% for a 15-minute short-term exposure limit; (STEL) a level of 4.0% is designated as "immediately dangerous to life or health"
This from Wikipedia:
Due to the health risks associated with carbon dioxide exposure, the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration says that average exposure for healthy adults during an eight-hour work day should not exceed 5,000 ppm (0.5%). The maximum safe level for infants, children, the elderly and individuals with cardio-pulmonary health issues is significantly less. For short-term (under ten minutes) exposure, the U.S. National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) and American Conference of Government Industrial Hygienists (ACGIH) limit is 30,000 ppm (3%). NIOSH also states that carbon dioxide concentrations exceeding 4% are immediately dangerous to life and health. [32]
Adaptation to increased levels of CO2 occurs in humans. Continuous inhalation of CO2 can be tolerated at three percent inspired concentrations for at least one month and four percent inspired concentrations for over a week. It was suggested that 2.0 percent inspired concentrations could be used for closed air spaces (e.g. a submarine) since the adaptation is physiological and reversible. Decrement in performance or in normal physical activity does not happen at this level.[33][34]
These figures are valid for pure carbon dioxide. In indoor spaces occupied by people the carbon dioxide concentration will reach higher levels than in pure outdoor air. Concentrations higher than 1,000 ppm will cause discomfort in more than 20% of occupants, and the discomfort will increase with increasing CO2 concentration. The discomfort will be caused by various gases coming from human respiration and perspiration, and not by CO2 itself. At 2,000 ppm the majority of occupants will feel a significant degree of discomfort, and many will develop nausea and headaches. The CO2 concentration between 300 and 2,500 ppm is used as an indicator of indoor air quality.
Now, that last paragraph bothers me as it seems to contradict earlier levels / effects, although it commits itself to "pure" CO2, and seems to address indoor exposures.
But one thing seems to be clear, and that is the higher concentrations refer to a limited exposure time, be it a day, week, or monthly period.
Continuous exposure appears to require much lower levels.
As a matter of safety, I could probably feel fairly secure as long as "atmospheric" levels of CO2 remained below 1000 ppm. ( .1 percent )
This is probably way lower than what we can tolerate without consequence, but in this day and age, I'm not sure who to trust any more with the data.
I guess more research is in order to determine what is and isn't "safe" or "optimal" for the planet and most especially, humans.
In the meantime, I will buy a canary, and keep it close to me at all times.
If I find it dead at the bottom of it's cage, I'll start to worry.
I've never given any thought to what the human body might be able to adapt to, in partucular concerning higher/lower levels of CO2 concentrations. Would humans develop larger lungs or other mechanisms to deal with higher levels of CO2 over long periods of time? Particularly if those changes slowly occurred over very long periods of time? Maybe we're not all gonna die...
Yep, that stuff will kill ‘ya.
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