Posted on 04/17/2009 10:17:36 AM PDT by RED SOUTH
Article VII sets out the provision for original ratification, and that Article IV empowers Congress to admit new States, but that no provision of the Constitution authorizes a state to leave the Union or bars it from doing so. The constitution does not say anything about states leaving.
“I thought you wanted to secede from the U.S. They wouldn’t be attacking the U.S. but the Republic of Texas. It doesn’t sound like you really want to secede. Perhaps you should consider working with folks in the other 49 states to try and reform our current government.”
How about you try to think a little bit. Look at a map of Canada do you think that it is their little 65,000 active member military that keeps the world from moving to take that country that is larger than the United States with harder terrain to defend?
To think that Texas would be vulnerable to the military powers of the world is laughable both because of the Monroe Doctrine which especially applies to America’s borders and the fact that Texas would be a powerful and aggressive military power in it’s own defense.
Confess, did you know that Canada’s military was so tiny? Have you looked at the maps of this region?
Did you think that Canada and Mexico were such military powerhouses that the Soviet Union shook in fear of their military might? Do you think that Canada’s navy that is about a quarter size of our Coast Guard protects them on both of those oceans or that the tiny 19,000 person army protects a landmass larger than the United States of America?
Knowing something about the Texas attitude about military service and knowing how Texans have produced so much of the finest in National Guard history, I know that Texas could or would have a military superior to Canada’s if it feels the need.
You overlook that the United States and Texas would be the best allies in our history. You seem to have some wild vision that Texas would be out in the wilds with Chinese paratroopers falling from the skies and enemy subs and aircraft carriers suddenly taking over the Gulf of Mexico.
Do you live up there in Maine quaking in your boots and thinking that Texas is like you fearful and scared? When Texas had 16,000 of it’s warriors enlist in the military in 2004 Maine had 800 that year, I don’t think that you know much about Texas.
Texas is the warrior factory of America, every year it supplies more enlistments by far (by a huge amount more)than Canada and any other state, if it seceded it would have it’s pick of it’s own warrior people and the cream of the crop of the rest of the remaining 49 states of America.
No wonder you are so thick, if you are willing to break a quote in mid sentence to grab a totally different meaning then you will always be a self deceiving fool.
"Look at a map and think about that a little bit, does it look like armies and navies of the world would all of a sudden decide to start attacking the United States by sending huge military attacks to conquer Texas and place Russian tanks on the borders of Oklahoma, Louisiana, New Mexico and Arkansas? We aren't talking about relocating Texas out to Asia or Eastern Europe or Africa."
When people run from problems, those problems flourish. And when one state goes south, it affects other states.
Right now we have talk of states pulling out of the union. Is that really what we have come to? Is that really the future we see for our beloved nation, surrendering vast areas of our nation to our enemies?
I agree with your sentiments. Secession isn't the answer. I don't know what is, though.
Patterns of migration has a lot to do with what's going on now. Once people moved to California from Ohio or Iowa or Arkansas or Oklahoma, and made the state more like the Midwest or the Southwest. You don't have that happening any more. In fact those Californians who leave are making the neighboring states more like California.
Yes, I agree with your thoughts on this.
In the last thirty years, my town flipped upside down, going something like 60 to 65% Armenian. That really taught me what is possible.
If we flooded the state with Conservatives, it would help the nation a great deal.
BTW, during the same period, our town went from a solid lock for Republicans, to a solid lock for Democrats.
To add:
Texas would need an excessively large standing army? A laughable argument and one from those thinking only inside the box of the present USA.
Why would it, exactly? To project power around the world?
Not interested.
The strategy is simple. Texas would have a conventional military large enough to defend itself but not a “world power” nor would it have aspirations to be one. In fact, just the opposite.
Texas would rapidly develop a program of WMD’s implementing the doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction. That would be chemical, conventional thermonuclear - and, plenty of neutron warheads.... You know, want to be all eco-friendly, green n’ stuff. A few nuke subs.
You leave me alone, I’ll leave you alone. You attack me - I’ll wipe out your major concentrations of citizens - in addition to your military industrial complexes. No differences will be made between military or any other targets. And yes, we’ll both be destroyed. Either way, the price will be dearly paid and quite horrible for aggression and things would never be the same.
After all, the USA did that as a matter of standard strategy during WWII, and some might argue Korea and Vietnam what with the fire bombing, carpet bombing, nuking and all and that was just fine and dandy, eh? Democrats routinely claim 1,000,000 Vietnamese were killed in that Democrat war. Personally I don’t have a problem with it but what’s good for the goose is good for anyone else.
Not only that, but good ‘ol USA committed genocide against the Native Americans and rounded up Japanese and Germans in America by the tens of thousands (mostly japs) and put them in the “Gitmo’s” of the time. And it was the Democrats doing all this BTW.
Just sayin’. When the NeoMarxists show their hypocrisy by objecting to a Texas that could defend itself. There must be a reason why they don’t want that...the same reason Marxists have show everywhere they have reared their ugly heads on this planet.
Texas could heavily exploit wind, solar and nuclear power and sell the surplus petroleum. Buy reliable and efficient Japanese cars where the unions are not part of the Democrat party.
I leave you alone - you leave me alone. What a concept.
I have to wonder if the Washington elite would like to see Texas secede. Given its mostly conservative representation in Congress and the number of its electoral votes, would Texas leaving guarantee Democratic presidential victories?
I’m a native Texan, but live elsewhere now. If you’re from there, you’re instilled with a nationalistic pride for your state unlike living anywhere else in the USA. I can’t imagine another state more independent minded, other than Alaska and perhaps the old New Hampshire (Live Free or Die). If I were Washington, I wouldn’t “Mess with Texas”... or Texans for that matter!
You didn’t say anything factual, I don’t think that you even read my posts to you, Texas is the warrior factory for this nation, it doesn’t need anyone to tell it to “pay it’s own freight”. Texas is at the front of blood shedding for America.
It is Texas’s sense of responsibility, freedom and conservatism that makes them even entertain the idea of trying to cut off your pansy states like Maine.
Maine 2008:
Obama 58%
McCain 40%
New Hampshire
Obama 54%
McCain 45%
It is nice that we are on the same side but there was never "genocide" against the Indians, no Germans were rounded up and put in camps, and the only Japanese that were put in camp were on the west coast, the Japanese that were in other parts of the country that could not pose a threat were left alone.
“It is nice that we are on the same side but there was never “genocide” against the Indians,”
What is your definition of ‘genocide’? Rewriting history won’t help your argument.
“Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
http://www.preventgenocide.org/genocide/officialtext.htm
I'm sorry but where do you get your history from Ward Churchill and Noam Chomsky?
You need to tone the anti-American propaganda back a couple of notches.
The United States never practiced genocide or had a policy of genocide against Indians.
If you would like facts I am the proud father of one Marine and two Army airborne. I did not vote for Obama. My wife and I seved as co-chairs for the Military Families for Bush 04. He has mentioned my family by name in a speech in our efforts fighting the War on Terror. My wife, along with other family members and vets has been in the oval office to discuss with President Bush what we need to do to keep America focused on the war. My wife and I have spoken at several Support the Troops rallies sponserd by FR in D.C. We have also been made honorary troopers by the CG 1st Cav Div USA.
What have you done?
“The constitution does not say anything about states leaving”
The “United States”, The “States in Union”, the “firm league of friendship with each other” entered into by the several States, whatever you want to call it, predates the Constitution.
The Constitution was established for the United States to, among other things, form a more perfect union of the States.
Why should it say anything about leaving? What is its relevance to the issue?
“The United States never practiced genocide or had a policy of genocide against Indians.”
What? You looking for a WRITTEN policy of genocide? How about Jackson’s Indian removal act?
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
Just remember this, YOU are part of the current indigenous tribe!
http://jesusweptanamericanstory.blogspot.com/
PBS - WE SHALL REMAIN - Personal Invitation
Last Monday began the PBS Series, “WE SHALL REMAIN” with their first Episode “After The Mayflower”.
The ones that will get my attention begin next week, Monday April 20th, 2009, and especially the April 27th “Trail of Tears” episode which will feature “The Ridge”, the Cherokee leader and his clan who I wrote about in “Jesus Wept” An American Story.
From PBS: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/weshallremain/
“Though the Cherokee embraced “civilization” and won recognition of tribal sovereignty in the U.S. Supreme Court, their resistance to removal from their homeland failed. Thousands were forced on a perilous march to Oklahoma.”
It will be VERY interesting to see how PBS deals with this situation or if they will be overtaken with the usual political correctness and historical rumor.
My story is taken from documented records as well as family letters saved from the time. I sincerely hope PBS’s story is also as factual. We shall see. It’s a story worth telling, if we understand how such political actions can and are repeating themselves in our current climate.
Interesting that you use your offspring’s military service as a diversion from your odd lack of knowledge about Texas, it does fit in with the way you twisted that quote in post 214.
We all know about the Cherokees being relocated by Jackson that is how my mother’s family got to the Oklahoma area.
The United States did not practice genocide.
“New Hampshire
Obama 54%
McCain 45%”
That’s what I said the old New Hampshire...not the current one.
You just keep believing your version of history. Facts don’t matter!
Here’s a little Texas History for you. A branch of the Cherokee who located in Rusk County were BUTCHERED by the US government and ran out of Texas when it became a state. When it was a republic, these Indians stood with Sam Houston and Texas allowed them to stay in their settlements...long before whites settled in Texas, but that didn’t stop the US government from committing yet more genocide...YES, I said GENOCIDE.
And yes, I was born in TExas and way too many of my ancestors are buried in Texas, so don’t even go there.
You may have the last word, because that is all you’ve got.
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