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The BIG question lately - CAN STATES SECEDE?
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Posted on 04/17/2009 10:17:36 AM PDT by RED SOUTH

Article VII sets out the provision for original ratification, and that Article IV empowers Congress to admit new States, but that no provision of the Constitution authorizes a state to leave the Union or bars it from doing so. The constitution does not say anything about states leaving.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cwii; statesrights; texas
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To: Axeslinger

I believe there were a lot of folks in the middle this last year, who for some reason or another decided to take a chance on Obama. I wouldn’t be surprised if many of them are very upset they voted like they did. Over the next couple of years, we’re going to see a lot of people recognize Obama for what he is.

Look, we’ve seen low points before. Nothing like this, I’ll grant you. Things will turn around. We have an incredible message with Conservatism. And it will sell, if we put our salesmen in the field.

That’s how I see it.

I don’t think very many people thought Obama would run up $3.5 trillion dollar budgets, and trillion dollar bailouts. He’s going to overplay his hand.

When he does, Congress will fall first. The White House will follow.

People may be dumb for a while, but I don’t think you can fool them forever.


161 posted on 04/17/2009 12:50:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: Centurion2000

I can think of another time when folks were giddy about doing something along the lines of what you folks seem inclined to do. There were plenty of good reasons then too. States’ rights were championed and blood ran hot before it simply ran out on the ground.

I cannot agree with you. I think there are better ways to improve things.

That’s how I see it. My opinion is not the only one, and I can’t state without a reasonable doubt that mine is correct.

It’s just my view of this.


162 posted on 04/17/2009 12:54:59 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: edh

I don’t see a single dang thing wrong with talking about it. I think it’s important that the lard-asses in Warshington get the message that they can’t take anything for granted. That just because they’ve had it one way for 100 years doesn’t mean it’s always going to go down the same track.


163 posted on 04/17/2009 12:59:08 PM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: armymarinedad

I seriously doubt that the feds are doing better than a sovereign Texas could do. Here are two things a sovereign Texas, who understood the stakes could do that the lardass feds have proven incapable of: 1) Build a wall, 2) shoot to kill, 3) build interment camps (prisons) for those apprehended crossing.


164 posted on 04/17/2009 1:03:08 PM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: qam1; ridesthemiles
Texas take over Idaho- Montana- Wyoming- N Dakota- S Dakota- Nebraska- Kansas- Oklahoma- Colorado- Nevada- and Utah-

There is plenty of room and a variety of climates in Texas.

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165 posted on 04/17/2009 1:04:25 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: DoughtyOne

“I don’t want people to take this personally, but isn’t that cutting and running? “

Nope, it is called “choice”. When the majority of people vote for stuff you don’t like then you can leave. If they don’t like you leaving then they can stop voting for what made you leave.


166 posted on 04/17/2009 1:04:41 PM PDT by CodeToad (Anyone wanting the government to take over medical care should stand in line at the post office)
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To: CodeToad

Choosing to become one small state on the global stage may be some people’s idea of success, but it’s not mine.

Good luck to you.


167 posted on 04/17/2009 1:06:17 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: ebiskit
The Declaration also says this:

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

As infuriating as the leftist policies of the new administration are, I think the majority in this country believes that we're a long way from the Declaration's standard of the insufferable evils needed to provide a legitimate revolution. That was the problem of the Confederate idiots of 1860 who insanely resorted to revolutionary means as a response to political setbacks. Like it or not, a large number of Americans voted for Mr. Obama and our Republic requires a degree of political maturity to accept unpleasant political results.

168 posted on 04/17/2009 1:07:16 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: AFreeBird
the Founders did give us plenty of tools for redress of grievances

Such as periodic elections. Voting the bums out is a whole lot better than wrecking the Union.

169 posted on 04/17/2009 1:08:28 PM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: wiggen

And it happened there because the weather’s so nice, and the leftists went there in droves in the 1960s to dissipate.


170 posted on 04/17/2009 1:09:36 PM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: central_va
That would constitute fascism, also.

No, that would be the Constitution.

Why am I not surprised seeing who this is coming from, the Yankee way or the firing squad.

The choice was yours. You chose...unwisely.

FRiend.

You assume much.

171 posted on 04/17/2009 1:09:37 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: RED SOUTH

But wait...

If the Constitution says nothing about secession, then isn’t that right reserved for the state, or the people?

...I’m just sayin’...


172 posted on 04/17/2009 1:11:20 PM PDT by Miykayl
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To: Jedidah
Neither secession nor separate states will happen. But it won’t hurt to make some noise.

YEah, I can imagine this conversation taking place over a cracker barrel by a wood stove in Georgia, 1859.

173 posted on 04/17/2009 1:13:34 PM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: Axeslinger

The saddest thing about all this is that it proves that bin laden was RIGHT that a hard strike would tear this country apart. It’s taken almost 8 years, but this country is coming apart at the seams.


174 posted on 04/17/2009 1:14:58 PM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: DoughtyOne

“Folks, cornering ourselves is not the answer. It’s time for states to confront the federal government, not cut and run from it.”

Very well said.


175 posted on 04/17/2009 1:15:38 PM PDT by Miykayl
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To: jalisco555
Such as periodic elections. Voting the bums out is a whole lot better than wrecking the Union

I have been around long enough to know that is true, that is one reason I am not as excitable as some people about some things.

What we think of as being on the verge of revolution is just a period of political passion and as soon as the movement wins some elections the emotion and the passion (and the unity) dissipate.

176 posted on 04/17/2009 1:18:54 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: DoughtyOne
I cannot agree with you. I think there are better ways to improve things.

I wish you were right. But I fear you are not. Ergo, our disagreement on policy.

177 posted on 04/17/2009 1:23:57 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We either Free America ourselves, or it is midnight for humanity for a thousand years.)
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To: qam1
Sounds good, I could never move to Texas because of the heat, but one of those cooler places sounds good.

Global Cooling. Texas, it's the new Ohio Valley.

178 posted on 04/17/2009 1:27:56 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We either Free America ourselves, or it is midnight for humanity for a thousand years.)
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To: ansel12
What we think of as being on the verge of revolution is just a period of political passion and as soon as the movement wins some elections the emotion and the passion (and the unity) dissipate.

Amen. Political remedies for political evils. The Constitution makes no provision for everybody being happy with election results. Obama was the choice of the people so he's our president. The chance to change that comes in the 2012 election. We should thank the Lord that we live in a nation where ballots and not bullets rule.

179 posted on 04/17/2009 1:32:27 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: ridesthemiles
I have been proposing that 12 states secede and form The Western States of America.


Is this what you are suggesting?


180 posted on 04/17/2009 1:35:24 PM PDT by Momaw Nadon ("...with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.")
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