Posted on 04/16/2009 7:09:51 PM PDT by mrmargaritaville
Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:
1. BHO wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander) recommendation. 2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in "imminent" danger 3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction 4. When the navy RIB came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in. 5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge CPN and SEAL teams 6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead raggies 7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behaviour. As usual with him, it's BS.
So per our last email thread, I'm downgrading Oohbaby's performace to D-. Only reason it's not an F is that the hostage survived.
Read the following accurate account.
Philips first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadnt worked out as well. With the Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his countrys Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors and none was taken.
The guidance from National Command Authority the president of the United States, Barack Obama had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostages life was in clear, extreme danger.
The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on by the Somali pirates and again no fire was returned and no pirates killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy personnel thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate from the commander in chiefs staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with such issues and no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a peaceful solution would be acceptable.
After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the on scene commander decided hed had enough.
Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostages life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer unnamed in all media reports to date decided the AK47 one captor had leveled at Philips back was a threat to the hostages life and ordered the NSWC team to take their shots.
Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and Philips was safe.
There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the last week that culminated in yesterdays dramatic rescue of an American hostage.
Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and [1] declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put paid to questions of the inexperienced presidents toughness and decisiveness.
Despite the Obama administrations (and its sycophants) attempt to spin yesterdays success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort. What should have been a standoff lasting only hours as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location became an embarrassing four day and counting standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.
oh I’m awake-just trying to torment the lefties who were crowing about osamaobama’s great victory over the Pirates on Easter. He promised action on the pirates but has not\will not do squat.
OK!
I would have to say this is most likely true. Notice how none of these guys has given our faux POTUS who called in the FBI any credit? The FBI was useless in this situation. That was who Obama chose to handle this. He was treating it like a law enforcement issue in NYC. The lifeboat was getting close to shore, if the Seals had not done what they did, this captain would have joined the 260 or so hostages held by these pirates.
The truth will out, mostly because Obamabi hasn’t mentioned much since then. He knows the truth, he voted present, and anyone with a damn brain in their head also knows the truth.
The Navy saved this captain in spite of Dear Leader.
Related or not, Obama went over there and backed killer Odinga.
So don’t try to get away from the facts.
Why have we not seen the officer’s name? Is it to protect him or protect Obama?
You 'n me both, Brother FReeper.
Good, honest folks are so conditioned to believe what the media tells them, and/or what the Officials (military, law enforcement, whatever) tell the media, that it never occurs to them that ... it may be fabricated, for whatever reason, good or bad -- in this case, good. To me, any part of or all of the official story should be taken with a grain of salt. One FReeper, early on in the original thread announcing the rescue, said "We know for a fact that the captain jumped twice." I corrected him: No, we know for a fact that the media is reporting that the captain jumped twice. I coudln't believe how many people just took it on faith, when it seemed pretty clear to me that the "second jump" scenario was just a nice, convenient way for the SEALS to justify (rightly) their actions, and the good captain would certainly go along with it to save the SEALS' butts.
I think: the captain jumped overboard the first time, as CNN reported, and either the SEALS weren't in place yet (most likely, IMO), or they were but were prohibited by Obama from taking initiative and responding with force (second most likely). SEALS waited around for four or five days, Obama knew they could get Cpt. Phillips pronto if need be, and Obama said NO. I think that any Special Forces guys aren't the type to wait around. They're proactive, not reactive.
So they got fed up with the whole situation, concocted the "official" story duly reported early on by CNN that Cptn. Phillips jumped a second time and precipitated the rescue, but in reality they went in and took care of business, saving one pirate for info and killing the others.
They had Obama by the balls: he couldn't reject the rescue and tell them to give Cptn. Phillips back to some other pirates! He couldn't tell America that he'd forbidden the SEALS to rescue Cptn. Phillips when he desperately tried to escape a second time. That's why the "official" story reported by CNN of the second jump initiating the rescue was, to me, so RICH and DELICIOUS -- what a clever way to handle it! It totally USED CNN, which was refreshing, to put Obama in a corner. It necessarily implied that the captain, not Obama, initiated the rescue (where I believe the truth is the SEALS initiated the rescue). Obama couldn't uphold the fiction that he had initiated it if the story was that the captain had jumped a second time, so the story was quickly updated (as the SEALS snickered in their sleeves, I imagine!) -- CNN then was reporting that no, the captain hadn't jumped a second time, that was mistaken information.
The story evolved quite a lot in the first hours after the rescue. First, the surviving pirate hadn't been on the lifeboat, but on the Bainbridge negotating .. then it was to have an injured hand treated ... leaving only three pirates for the SEALS to take out after one of the pirates had pointed a gun at the Captain. Early reports were also that Obama had "approved" two or three different rescue plans ... and/or approved having the SEALS to go in and rescue the Captain if his life was immediately endangered. It was enough to make you laugh, the way the story was evolving so quickly to accommodate the fiction that Obama deserved any credit.
The SEALS took care of business in spite of Obama, not because of him. God bless the Navy SEALS and God bless all of our American military and brave warriors.
bammy, the POS in Chief...
btt
Thanks for posting this. After hearing Capt. Phillips statement today, which had zero mention of President Zero, I figured this was the way it went down. He thanked the SEALS, the Bainbridge, his crew, his company, etc., but no mention of Obama. I suspect there will be little mention of Phillips by the MSM again....
Obama is such a n00b
Oh my. A friend told me ....
In agreement!
You have fleshed out a very likely scenario
When it was all finished with three dead pirates
0bama was given a result he couldn’t refuse
So 0bama and Axelrod and Rahm Emauelle were presented with a fait accomplis and had no choice but to take it
The commander (who was he?) gave the orders to kill
I see two big pieces of circumstantial evidence here
-— Boat was intentionally being towed (which steadies it for the sharpshooters) to calmer water the pirates were told (lol)
-— The pirates were done in at night when only those in the know can see (night vision equipment) what went down
-— The Seals also sent a message from the entire militarily to 0bama which was -— Don’t make us your fools, we will turn the tables on you for a righteous cause
DW
pijg
It looks like you were right all along.
“The truth about this incident will haunt BHO, as it should”
No it won’t. The officers involved will go no where with their careers.
Maybe even have “accidents”. Those officers are probably among the bravest of the whole story.
LOL
Maybe even have an “accident”.
That joke was so yesterday. You still think that is funny? /s LOL
And he had expected us to act, and was surprised (and angry) when we did not.
Prop wash also actually works in the good guys favor. Also close in means it is a rougher ride (tow) and noisier.
Also in the captain favor. So smart move on the part of the Bainbridge’s captain.
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