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The seal is broken on seceding from the Union and is now mainstream discussion.
U4prez.com ^ | 4/16/2009 | Eric Gurr

Posted on 04/16/2009 6:50:11 AM PDT by rrdog

What is the root of the secessionist movement? The driving force at the grass roots level is of course money. Many Americans are rightly disturbed by the transfer of their wealth, and the wealth of their children, to companies that made risky investments, or were poorly managed. This is new territory for the government. The transfer started under George W. Bush with his bank bailout and auto makers bailouts, and the Obama administration has really poured on the spending with additional bailouts and stimulus packages. Citizens of more fiscally conservative states are finding that there money is being redirected from their pockets, and sent to other states.

In years past politicians from both parties have used the guilt factor to increase spending for the "needy". This tempers the backlash from the populace as they realize they are to sacrifice a new boat, or nicer home, for the greater good of society. Today, citizens are being asked to sacrifice their children's education, vacations, and even the home they are in, so that money can be transferred from their wallets to multi-billion dollar corporations.

When we add more government controls and regulations on everything from cigarettes, to fast food and guns, we begin to see the problem. Government is now coming at everyone at some level, over some issue. This piling on is causing those fringe secessionist movements to became mainstream very quickly.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; confederacy; confederate; cwii; seceding; secession; statesrights
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To: Non-Sequitur
in other words, you don't mind looking like a FOOL as well as a LIAR???

pardon me, but your anti-southern PREJUDICE is showing.

free dixie,sw

361 posted on 04/19/2009 5:50:55 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie
in other words, you don't mind looking like a FOOL as well as a LIAR??? pardon me, but your anti-southern PREJUDICE is showing.

Post the page number and we'll see who the fool and liar is.

362 posted on 04/19/2009 6:02:55 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: stand watie
...obviously slaves were NOT FREE to swear to ANTHING...

And the Great Slaver Rebellion of 1861 was started to KEEP IT THAT WAY!

363 posted on 04/19/2009 6:04:44 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Non-Sequitur
YOU will be ONCE MORE exposed as the LIAR.

if i were you (you cannot imagine how glad i am that i'm NOT a DAMNyankee extremist like you!), i would ADMIT that i LIED, because i was a DAMNyankee PROPAGANDIST & therefore was willing to SAY ANYTHING that i thought that would advance the STATIST, DAMNyankee agenda.

free dixie,sw

364 posted on 04/19/2009 6:30:20 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Petronski
actually, you are bright enough to KNOW that what you posted in # 363 is FALSE.

tell us, WHY did so many Blacks volunteer to fight for the CSA, IF you are correct that the war was "about" or even "mostly about" preserving slavery???

were the Black volunteers TOO STUPID to KNOW what they were fighting/dying FOR??? (a simple YES or NO, please.)

free dixie,sw

365 posted on 04/19/2009 6:33:51 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie
YOU will be ONCE MORE exposed as the LIAR.

Talk is cheap, and even then you've overdrawn your account.

if i were you (you cannot imagine how glad i am that i'm NOT a DAMNyankee extremist like you!), i would ADMIT that i LIED, because i was a DAMNyankee PROPAGANDIST & therefore was willing to SAY ANYTHING that i thought that would advance the STATIST, DAMNyankee agenda.

I thought that I'd wait and let you post the page number so you can prove to the world that I'm a liar.

366 posted on 04/19/2009 6:36:00 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Petronski
also, even IF you believe that southern Blacks were TOO STUPID to know what they were fighting for, what were the 95% of NON-slaveowners fighting for???

obviously, NOT for keeping slaves that they did NOT own (and in most cases could NOT have afforded IF they wanted slaves) further, NOBODY, who was reasonably sane, would be willing to DIE for "some rich guy's right to own slaves". (T Harry Williams, for ONE historian, has RIGHTLY pointed out that TWBTS was a CLASS WAR of the POOR against the RICH/PRIVILEDGED & that the NEXT TARGET of the glayclads (had they won against the DAMNyankees) likely would have been against "the plantation aristocracy".)

the TRUTH is that the "slavery was all" thesis of the REVISIONIST LEFT is STUPID, KNOWINGLY dishonest & defies "common sense". - it's really no more complicated than: "freeing the slaves", as an excuse for the war, was a phony EXCUSE of the ELITES of the north to keep their boot-heel on southern necks.

free dixie,sw

367 posted on 04/19/2009 6:45:48 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie

I love watching outbursts nostalgic for the Great Slaver Rebellion of 1861.


368 posted on 04/19/2009 6:47:11 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Non-Sequitur; All
and i WILL post it, when i receive the book. you can count on that.

also, i note that you didn't have the GUTS to say YES/NO to whether the Black CSA soldiers/sailors/marines were "too stupid" to KNOW what they fought FOR???

since you won't i'll tell you & everyone: they fought AGAINST a CRUEL invader & FOR their home/family/county/state/FREEDOM.

Shelby Foote said: they fought for home & family, pride, honor, freedom & each other. (i wouldn't argue against that thesis either.)

free dixie,sw

369 posted on 04/19/2009 6:52:56 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Petronski
we all note that you STILL haven't answered the question.

i see two possible reasons for that failure to respond:

1. you really are clue-LESS about the motivations of soldiers

OR

2. you KNOW & aren't willing to admit that your thesis is FOOLISH, as well as FALSE.

which is it???

free dixie,sw

370 posted on 04/19/2009 6:56:30 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie

I’m not here to answer questions, just bask in the white-hot glow of anger over the South’s failure in the Great Slaver Rebellion of 1861.


371 posted on 04/19/2009 7:00:12 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: stand watie
and i WILL post it, when i receive the book. you can count on that. also, i note that you didn't have the GUTS to say YES/NO to whether the Black CSA soldiers/sailors/marines were "too stupid" to KNOW what they fought FOR??

Post the page number.

372 posted on 04/19/2009 7:00:58 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Petronski; All
in the case of my ancestor, PVT Little Thunder Freeman, he was "a person of colour" who volunteered to fight for FREEDOM, for his tribe & for a NEW southern nation.

he had LITTLE of material worth. upon enlistment, he "brought to the war effort" the following (according to his enlistment papers): one black felt hat, two shirts (likely homespun or leather), a pair of trousers, a 14-gage double-barrel shotgun & a "good, young, red mule".

RICH aristocrat??? i think NOT. instead he was a FREEDOM FIGHTER, just as 99% of other southern fighting men were. = i HONOR his memory & that of every other dixie HERO/MARTYR.

free dixie,sw

373 posted on 04/19/2009 7:05:40 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Petronski
in other words, NO GUTS-NO GLORY.

i thought BETTER of you.

free dixie,sw

374 posted on 04/19/2009 7:06:43 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Non-Sequitur
do you have any idea how STUPID your repetitions sound to others here on the forum???

PLEASE continue with your STUPID/gut-LESS/DECEITFUL responses.

free dixie,sw

375 posted on 04/19/2009 7:08:33 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
Yeah this turned out so well last time...

Well, things aren't going so hot now either. The difference between now and last time is that the tax slaves are the ones that are starting to talk about secession.

376 posted on 04/19/2009 7:12:44 PM PDT by meyer (Obama is to the USA as Mugabe is to Zimbabwe.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
“So where you gonna go? Hop the pond and head back to the mother land? Ditty-bop on down to Brazil like the runaway Rebs in 1865? Made your plans yet?”

Non-Sequitur,

I tried earlier today to hold a ‘friendly’ discussion with you regarding topics other than those that flip your skirt!!Apparently the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree and your just as blood thirsty as your Red leg kin..

Yes as a matter of fact I have made plans!I plan in expelling the occupying parasites from Dixie a.k.a YANKEE

“Your well versed on Southron myth but really pathetic on actual historical facts, aren't you?”

Are you stating your kindred {red leg federal butt kissers} haven’t made a habit of killing noncombatants? Does it really make a bit of difference if they are shot in the back or burned alive? Murderers non the less

377 posted on 04/19/2009 7:18:57 PM PDT by Rustabout
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To: Rustabout
I tried earlier today to hold a ‘friendly’ discussion with you regarding topics other than those that flip your skirt!!Apparently the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree and your just as blood thirsty as your Red leg kin

I noticed the attempt and I tried to reply in kind. However it didn't take you long to go to the insult, did it? By reply 309 you had returned to name calling and it went down hill from there. You all can't carry on a civil discussion without insults, I truly think you would strangle if you tried.

Yes as a matter of fact I have made plans!I plan in expelling the occupying parasites from Dixie a.k.a YANKEE

Y'all be sure and tell us how it works out.

Are you stating your kindred {red leg federal butt kissers} haven’t made a habit of killing noncombatants?

A little documentation would be nice, especially the part about shooting civilians in the back. But since when have you Southron types let truth get in the way of a great myth?

378 posted on 04/19/2009 7:32:24 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
“You first responded to my reply to Rustabout where he alleged that. I assumed you were jumping in on his side.”

OK.. Non-Sequitur

I Tried to help you with certain humanitarian issues and you take offense..Please let me make myself very clear!

WE WON'T BE PLAYING POSSIM & YOU DON'T NEED TO TAKE THAT SELF HATRED OUT ON NONCOMBATANS...PERIOD

If you plan on making end roads around us into Towns or Family Farms..Please ask before you take & please don't throw the torch until the premises is vacated

379 posted on 04/19/2009 7:52:07 PM PDT by Rustabout
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To: Non-Sequitur
“I noticed the attempt and I tried to reply in kind. However it didn't take you long to go to the insult, did it? By reply 309 you had returned to name calling and it went down hill from there. You all can't carry on a civil discussion without insults, I truly think you would strangle if you tried.”

Post 308 you started your all to typical South hatred!!

Like a true Tyrant...

380 posted on 04/19/2009 8:03:50 PM PDT by Rustabout
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