Posted on 04/12/2009 10:07:05 PM PDT by smoothsailing
Dealing with Pirates 101:
Judi McLeod
April 13, 2009
Now that courageous US Navy Seals have been able to what they have been wanting to do for days, it’s time for Dealing With Pirates 101.
Barack Obama wants help from other countries in making Somali pirates accountable: The US Armed Forces already have the proven ability to deal with them.
Obama and Hillary Clinton should stop calling the pirates “criminals” and tag them for what they are, Terrorists.
Obama should have no difficulty identifying the Somali pirates for what they are:
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Impossible to do unless you want to return to the shipping routes of the mid-1800's. Somalia controls the choke-point of all maritime traffic using the Suez Canal.
The pirates have been using mother ships to go out as far as 300 miles and, as the hijacking image shows, the ships have already been trying to hug the northern coast of the Gulf of Aden.
How many of our "allies" have sent COMBAT troops into Afghani?
You think they are countries of action or negotiation? What or how do you think we as a country got where we are? by action, not negotation. I can imagine how many Powerpoint Negotiations have already been undertaken.
Each country has differant views, abilities/capabilities and concerns then we do. Ours is unique... We are the United States of America.
..Marines to travel, expenses paid, with some of these ships etc...
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Not a bad idea, but this would be an excellent job for the Blackwater Type Organizations.
BUT, once they did their job, OUR people would be citing them for violence and convicting them.
dr what???? NO, we need to engage foreign policy issues unilateraly. We need to be able to disembowel the “Pirates of Penzance” wihtout the need to consult with our nominal allies.
How many of our “allies” have sent COMBAT troops into Afghani?
You think they are countries of action or negotiation? What or how do you think we as a country got where we are? by action, not negotation. I can imagine how many Powerpoint Negotiations have already been undertaken.
Each country has differant views, abilities/capabilities and concerns then we do. Ours is unique... We are the United States of America.
Yes yes but,
this little caper takes the attention off the magic negro and his running the economy in to the ground.
I’ll second that. This is what happens when security is delegated to the international community. The right to keep and bear arms needs to apply to any American vessels. They should be considered as soverign states/property and afforded the 2nd amendment right.
We should also take out these 3rd rate strongholds to kill these pests at their source.
As I have been following this story and the lack of remorse from Somalians, I have come to understand these activities in a new light.
This is not Piracy, it is not Terrorism, it is simply a locally-spun version of the Somalian Olympics.
Young men get to demonstrate their prowess, their courage, their ability by climbing up ropes onto an oceangoing vessel, brandishing their AKs, firing off a few rounds, and making outrageous demands for a reward. Not a gold medal, not a world record, but something they can take home to family and friends and demonstrate their great victory. They keep saying that No one is getting killed. Then why are they carrying weapons.
You point a weapon at someone and you give all of us rationale to use whatever force necessary to eliminate the threat.
All cops know that, even thugs know that.
The morality of these people is gone. It has just become a way of life, a way of proving their own worth.
I agree, After about 40-50 pirate groups never return home, it may have some effect
the o’s response - or lack of it - can/will have an impact on how other countries see us.
> So what’s going to happen with the pirate they apprehended?
Hanging would be appropriate.
Rope or wire, dropped or hoisted, whatever it takes as long as they wind up dead.
I’ll second that. This is what happens when security is delegated to the international community. The right to keep and bear arms needs to apply to any American vessels. They should be considered as soverign states/property and afforded the 2nd amendment right.
We should also take out these 3rd rate strongholds to kill these pests at their source
I'm sorry, but I am not about to ask the French how to solve a military issue. You DO NOT ASK LOSERS with no strong military backbone how to, etc... Sorry...
but, I agree with you on the other thread of the arming issue, that is a thorny question...
>> Give the Navy and Marines a simple set of orders. Go along the coast of Somalia. If it has an engine and floats, destroy it.
And you expect this from the same American government that would send 50,000 of its young men to their deaths and couldn’t ever get up the guts to mine the Haiphong harbor? That, in Somalia, after watching the mob looting and harassing American soldiers from a downed helicopter, did nothing? That, after 9/11 portrayed airline pilots as too irresponsible to be trusted with weapons in the cockpit? Yeah, right.
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After about 40-50 pirate groups never return home... and their homes explode it a giant explosion, will the surviving Somali's think piracy a 'bad thing'.
The only thing missing is Bill Clinton with a tear in his eye, biting his pursed lip, shaking his fist and declaring that we will catch and prosecute those "criminals," and then do nothing but wait for someone to track them down, capture them, and bring them home for trial; justice will have to wait a decade or two while the trail lawyers get rich. We are still waiting for action initiated during the Clinton administration (unfunded of course). Such things give the Democrats something to talk about and hope for...
In the meantime our military can ask for permission twice a day to lock and load whenever we are threatened. Permission to actually shoot is another matter to be discussed with the FBI, the State Department, congress, White House staff, and criminal lawyers, not to mention the Commander in Chief.
We do not need to consult with other nations if an American is taken hostage. Very simple...United Nations, end of story. When we engage with other nations to discuss our solution, they inject their own interests and will offer solutions that suits their own interests in the end.
I’m sorry, but I am not about to ask the French how to solve a military issue. You DO NOT ASK LOSERS with no strong military backbone how to, etc... Sorry...
but, I agree with you on the other thread of the arming issue, that is a thorny question...
Or, if you want to maintain plausible deniability, hire some members of the Somali "government" to form an "anti-piracy" unit, and pay them a $mil per month to kill anybody trying to perform piracy. If a ship is attacked by pirates, they don't get their payment that month, and they get told that if it happens too often, the contract goes to Blackwater.
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