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There is nothing called the 'moderate Taliban'
The Times of India ^ | 12 April, 2009 | The Times of India

Posted on 04/12/2009 4:29:03 AM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins

If necessity is the mother of invention then politics is often the father. Barack Obama has invented a phrase that did not exist on January 20, the day he became president. Anxious to win a war through the treasury rather than the Pentagon, he has discovered something called the "moderate Taliban" in Afghanistan. Joe Biden, his vice president, has found the mathematical coordinates of this oxymoron: only 5% of the Taliban are "extremists".

Welcome to Obama's first big mistake.

The war in Afghanistan and Pakistan is not simply against some bearded men and beardless boys who have been turned into suicide missionaries. The critical conflict is against the ideology of a chauvinistic theocracy that seeks to remould the Muslim world into a regressive region from which it can assault every aspect of modernity, whether that be in political space or the social sphere.

Washington has a single dimension definition of "moderate": anyone who stops an active, immediate war against the US is a "moderate". Let me introduce him to a couple of "moderate Taliban". They are now world famous, having been on every national and international news channel these past few days, stars of a video clip from Swat. Two of them had pinned down a 17-year-old girl called Chand Bibi, while a third, his face shrouded, lashed her with a whip 37 times on suspicion of being seen with a man who was not her father or brother.

Obama should record the screams of Chand Bibi and play them to his daughters as the "moderate" music to which he wants to dance in his Afghan war.

These Taliban are "moderate" by the norms of the Obama Doctrine: they have come to a deal with America through Islamabad. Pakistani troops are not engaged in their medieval haven, nor are American Drones bombing their homes. All that remains, one presumes, is that they are placed on the Pentagon payroll as insurance of their ceasefire.

Perhaps, in their desperate search for moderation, Obama and Islamabad will promote the denial being manipulated into public discourse. The unbearable Swat-lashing video is now described as fake. It would be nice to know the names of the actors who played such a convincing part in the filming of this 'fake'. Chand Bibi has "denied" any such incident. Sure: but was any doctor sent to check the scars?

Such compromise with 'moderation' has also taken place next door, in Afghanistan, under the watchful eye of American ally Hamid Karzai. He has just signed a family law bill which compels Afghan women to take permission from their husbands before going to a doctor, seeking education, or getting a job. The husband has become complete master of the bedroom. Custody of children can only go to fathers or grandfathers; women have no rights. A member of Afghanistan's upper house, Senator Humaira Namati, has called this law "worse than during the Taliban (government). Anyone who spoke out was accused of being against Islam". It makes no difference to the Taliban, of course, that the Quran expressly forbids Muslim men from forcing decisions on their wives "against their will". Karzai's justification is the usual one: politics. He wanted the support of theocrats in the election scheduled for August this year. Under pressure, there is talk of a review but no one is sure what that means.

If it's democracy, it must be "moderate", right?

One can understand a post-Iraq America's reluctance towards wars that seem straight out of Kipling. But we in the region have to live with the political consequences of superpower intervention, and the casual legitimacy that Obama is offering to a destructive ideology will create blowback that spreads far beyond the geography of "Afpak".

Benazir Bhutto and the ISI did not create the Taliban in the winter of 1994 for war against America. Its purpose was to defeat fractious Afghan warlords, and establish a totalitarian regime that would equate Afghanistan's strategic interests to Pakistan's. The ISI conceived an "Afpak" long before the idea reached the outer rim of Washington's thinking. Pakistan worked assiduously to widen the Taliban's legitimacy and would have drawn America into the fold through the oil-pipeline siren song if Osama bin Laden had not blown every plan apart. In some essentials, things have not changed. Pakistan's interests still lie in a pro-Islamabad Taliban regime in Kabul. The "moderation" theory is a ploy to provide war-weary America with an exit point. India's anxieties will be offered a smile in public and a shrug in private.

History is uncomfortable with neat closures. Neither the Taliban nor Pakistan are what they were in 1994: the former is much stronger, the latter substantially weaker. The fall of Kabul to the Taliban this time could be a curtain raiser to the siege of Islamabad.

There is nothing called a moderate lash, or backlash, President Obama.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; imrankhan; india; obama; pakistan; taliban
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1 posted on 04/12/2009 4:29:04 AM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins
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To: swarthyguy; Cronos

Ping.


2 posted on 04/12/2009 4:30:36 AM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; ...
It bears reminding.

These are the people that we are fighting in Kandahar.

We cannot compromise with fanatics. The Taliban are fanatics by definition.

And even if there were such a thing as "moderate" Talibans and we made a deal with them, where would that leave us with the "immoderate" Taliban that would not attorn to the deal.

3 posted on 04/12/2009 4:40:07 AM PDT by Clive
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

AMEN!


4 posted on 04/12/2009 4:43:31 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Can we deal with moderate members of the Mafia, Bloods, Hells Angles, etc. to reduce crime?


5 posted on 04/12/2009 4:43:59 AM PDT by VA Voter
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

The Moderate Taliban came and left me a basket of chocolate eggs and jelly beans last night. /sarc


6 posted on 04/12/2009 4:47:35 AM PDT by wolfpat (Revolt, and re-establish the Constitution as the law of the land!)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Amen to this! Islam poses a greater threat to human freedom than the USSR did!


7 posted on 04/12/2009 4:49:09 AM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Islam is a barbaric social philosophy wrapped in the pseudo religious trappings espoused by a Seventh Century madman given to hypnotic rants. It has no place in modern society, and, in fact, seeks to drag the entire world back to the Seventh Century.

Moderate Taliban? Those are the ones running out of ammunition.


8 posted on 04/12/2009 5:02:14 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
Two of them had pinned down a 17-year-old girl called Chand Bibi, while a third, his face shrouded, lashed her with a whip 37 times on suspicion of being seen with a man who was not her father or brother.

Well in Obama's defense, the extremist Taliban would have beheaded her.

9 posted on 04/12/2009 5:08:49 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Gee Joe only about 5% of the members of the Nazi party were fanatic followers of Hitler so I suppose we need not have fought WW-II if we had negotiated with the “moderate” Nazis.


10 posted on 04/12/2009 5:13:29 AM PDT by The Great RJ (chain.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
Great Post. Thanks.

Well written piece. Excellent analysis. My favorite line:
Obama should record the screams of Chand Bibi and play them to his daughters as the "moderate" music to which he wants to dance in his Afghan war.

While the US MSM buries their collective head in the sand (or up their a$$) the foreign press is starting to wake up and take a look at this bizarre creature we have elected pres..ent. They are listening to his idiotic ramblings and speculating about the future. This will not happen in the US liberal press because these guys have invested all their credibility in Hopey Changey.

Maybe US feminists should play the screams of Chand Bibi to their daughters. Oh, that's right, I forgot they are mostly aborted.

11 posted on 04/12/2009 5:20:42 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Taliban are by defination, nutbar extremists. Modetate taliban would be Moderate Nutbar Extremists.


12 posted on 04/12/2009 5:42:50 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (To stand up for Capitalism is to hope Teleprompter Boy fails.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Moderate members of the Taliban train radical members to blow themswlves up, but will not strap on a bomb themselves.


13 posted on 04/12/2009 5:48:38 AM PDT by stockpirate (" My bother George & I want Obama to succeed." Jeb Bush 4/10/09)
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To: stockpirate

See tagline.


14 posted on 04/12/2009 5:59:48 AM PDT by phrogphlyer (The only moderate Taliban is a dead Taliban.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

The Moderate Taliban will only cut your head half-way off.


15 posted on 04/12/2009 6:14:07 AM PDT by FDNYRHEROES (In just 3 days, the War on Terror became the War on Free Speech.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Moderate meaning cutting off hands instead of heads.

Throwing acid in the face of schoolgirls rather than burning them alive.

The kind of moderate embraced by Obama.


16 posted on 04/12/2009 6:22:53 AM PDT by Carley (President Obama Dropped a MOAB on America)
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To: wolfpat

That was the Talibunny.


17 posted on 04/12/2009 6:27:43 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Only an idiot could believe in a “moderate Taliban.”

Oh, Joe Biden used the phrase? There you go.


18 posted on 04/12/2009 7:04:12 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("I'm sure this goes against everything you've been taught, but right and wrong do exist"-Dr House)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
A "moderate Taliban" is a Taliban that tolerates and profits from the booming Afghan opium trade.

That's really why we're there, isn't it?

19 posted on 04/12/2009 7:27:06 AM PDT by Obamageddon (This will all end with show trials and piano wire!)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Yeah, this whole “Moderate Taliban” concept sort-of sounds like someone who is searching for the vegetarian lion, or another whose intent is to teach table manners to a shark.

Its so without merit of logic and rational thinking that it borders on fantasy.

In Zero’s case make that a wild drug-induced fantasy.


20 posted on 04/12/2009 8:21:29 AM PDT by R0CK3T
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