Posted on 04/11/2009 11:02:34 AM PDT by marktwain
I have never understood the Michael Savage phenomenon. He's loud, he's abrasive, and he's hardly the "conservative" so many apparently think he is. I guess tapping into the border issue has convinced some that he is a kindred spirit. For anyone who place the Constitution first, he is not.
Case in point, today's amazingly ignorant screed, "Why are the police outgunned?":
So I put the question to the Savage Nation. Is it time to ban assault rifles? What are they really needed for? We know, of course, that Savage has no business defining what we "need," although I can think of many tactical situations where an outnumbered peaceable armed citizen with a semiautomatic rifle could be instrumental in deterring violence.
But forget that--we don't need to justify our property to Savage or anyone else. Where do they presume to get the authority to tell us which firearms they'll allow us to own--and how badly do they want to take them from us?
Then there's this bit of injecting doubt and fear into weaker minds:
Of course, I can already hear callers telling me, “Well, Mike, if we’re armed with these weapons, the government can’t possibly take our rights away.” That is nonsense. If the government wants to take your rights away or imprison you for whatever reason, your owning an assault rifle is not going to stop it. Gee, I don't know, Mike. If the scenario you're postulating--a government wanting to take your rights away existed--what kind of subversive cheerleader or just plain coward wouldn't resist? And remember--this is the guy telling his listeners we're being run by a dictatorship--a gang--evil rulers intent on starting another Reichstag fire.
Assuming he believes it, he wants us to disarm for that?
Have you checked the number of gun owners lately, Michael? And have you looked into the honorable patriots in the military and peace officer professions who would not participate in carrying out tyrannical orders?
They call themselves "Oath Keepers". You might want to look into that. They impress me a lot more than you do.
What Savage is proposing is nothing less than taking away from Americans their last resort means of protecting themselves from unmasked tyranny--gutting the very core of the right to keep and bear arms--something envisioned as a necessity by the Founders and codified in the Bill of Rights. He is telling his listeners the Second Amendment is useless, so we might as well give it up.
Savage sets himself up as wiser than the Framers? I don't think so.
And it doesn't surprise me to see him resort to fabrication in this next display of either profound ignorance or deliberate misdirection:
So we have to ask: If the police are not allowed to have these types of weapons, then why is the public allowed have them. What planet have you been living on, Michael? Do you even make an attempt to know what the hell you're talking about? Have you fallen for the "patrol rifle" vs. "assault weapon" deception? Or the "Only Ones" deception?
This doesn't surprise me, either. I warned gun owners about Savage back when he threw his support behind gun-grabber Jerry Brown for California attorney general--you know--the same guy who failed miserably at making a dent in Oakland's violent crime rate, but who was--surprise--endorsed by all those non-Oath Keeper police groups.
Good grief, Michael, the entire concept of "the security of a free state" escapes you, doesn't it? Is it that you're not bright enough to understand that the more good citizens are armed, the safer society will be--including the "outgunned" police?
The judgment I initially formed about you has only been cemented with this latest subversive defeatism you've injected into the "conservative" dialog, Michael:
Anyone wasting time or money following this obnoxious carnival barker is chasing a sterile queen bee. If you've ever bought one of his books, congratulations. You just helped finance the further enslavement of ourselves and our posterity. Get this, Michael: We will not disarm. If you truly think that resistance is futile and disarmament will come easy, you've deluded yourself and anyone stupid enough to believe you or craven enough to want to.
And now that I'm through, Mr. Adams would like to have a word with you:
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen! ------------
A good Savage
That left a bad feeling in my stomach. I had an honorable, now-departed friend with that surname who served on Iwo Jima, and another who is one of the foremost champions of the right to keep and bear arms that I have the honor to know. Of course, they hadn't assumed the name, because they weren't pretenders. Anyway, now seems a pretty good time to remind you that it's not the name, it's the man.
Savage is a West-Coast Radio Talk Show Host
Savage is probably more socially conservative and national-defense conservative but he’s definitely not economically conservative/libertarian.
Tammy Bruce is pretty conservative on a range of things but she’s pro-choice and probably has disagreements on other issues.
Larry Elder is a libertarian-conservative kinda guy and supported Bush’s original immigration bill/
All West-Coasters
The problem with Michael Weiner is he is irrational and incapable of analysis. He is an utter fool and so is anyone who listens to him.
Besides for his politics he reminisces about America from his days in the Bronx as a boy, sailing, food, his days as a botanist etc. He is interesting and many of his beliefs are as conservative as they get.
But sometimes he loses his mind and I've no idea where he is coming from. His hatred of Palin baffles me. His argument against her is exactly what I have heard Liberals say.
“His hatred of Palin baffles me. His argument against her is exactly what I have heard Liberals say.”
I started the FR Savage Nation thread, and though I’m a big fan, his Palin hatred is incomprehensible - but I still listen to him.
A point of intrigue, though, was when he psychologically profiled 000bama after 000 made the anti-Palin “lipstick” remark. Savage nailed him dead-on, but I do wonder about Savage’s own problems that cause him to hate Palin.
But I still listen to him.
Why?
Although I listen to Rush more aften now that Bush is out of office, RL’s constant apologizing for the Bush Socialist Appetizer was quite nauseating.
Yep, Bush fed us the dainty finger food collectivist appetizer, and now we are getting the main course rammed down our throats.
FT, when I first listened to Savage it was his treatment of startled listeners that disturbed me.
Hearing him yell at listeners for being nervous or slightly overwhelmed when trying to speak with him was a shock.
I’ve not heard him do that in some time though.
I’m a slow talkin’ Southern boy, and I tried to call the show once. He’s a tough show to be on, but when he gets a caller he likes, he’ll spend QUITE a bit of time with them.
His stance on the Second Amendment is pretty far from conservative, and it’s a pretty major issue.
I will also add that, when my brother was a cop, his cruiser always had an M-16, an MP-5, a Benelli M-1 Super 80 and whatever Glocks he had on his person. While there are rare occassions that it happens, it’s rare that a cop with 2 fully automatic weapons is “out gunned”.
Well, I’m a Bostonian with an accent to match! By far Savage has the most wide range of listeners of any talk show.
Oh, I am so glad someone else feels the same way about this guy. At least I wont be the only one beat up on.
Savage has a small arsenal.
Saying the police are "out-gunned" is just a way of saying the liberals won't let the cops do their jobs -- like the cops used to do it in the days of a much lower crime rate.
I'm almost 70. I remember.
Liberals don't even want the cops to have a chance in gun battles.
I've listened to virtually every show for fifteen years -- taking guns away from law-abiding citizens is not something I've heard Savage suggest.
His critics hear a few minutes here and there and they're experts on the guy. Go figure.
I definitely do understand.
I remember how conservatives cowered in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s.
"No, no! We're not racists. We're not Nazis. . . ."
"States rights" was considered a term for the N-word. Ditto "law and order" (lawn order).
"No, no! We're not racists. We're just saying don't send all the power to government employees in Washington. . . ."
Screaming insults 24/7 at conservatives pretty much shut us up.
Not anymore. Savage has stated many times, his aim is to give it right back to the liberals as many times over as possible.
When modern talk radio got started the most oft-heard caller comment was "I didn't know others believed as I do, you're saying what I've been trying to tell people!"
Later came Savage who showed that screaming at liberals (if necessary) does not hinder your career. It's the only way to short-circuit a liberals feeeeeeeeeeelings.
Others have followed. That's good.
Savage has nothing to offer on the front to advance Conservative values and defend America from the IslamOfascists.
Savage is a bitter little male.
Savage also gave money and support to Jerry Brown, the liberal democrat when he ran for Atty Gen here in Calif.
If you want to listen to an adult Conservative, Mark Levin
has a great radio program and can speak to the issues.
His newest book is No. 1 on Amazon and NY Times best
sellers list.
Check MarkLevin.com for time and stations.
Where does that claim come from and what facts substantiate the claim?
As crackpots become more crackpottish, they keep being moved down to timeslots reserved for equally inclined crackpots......
Savage is so off the wall and filled with so many demons that its a wonder he is still on the radio at all.
But then again, its good for the liberal cause to have a crackpot like him on the air in order to judge the rest of us conservatives by what he says..........
Savage was a draft dodging wussie pussie hanging out with long haired maggot infested war protesters at CAL Berkely.
But he has delusions that he's a military genius like Patton. LOL
One of the most entertaining videos on YouTube (but scary for bystanders) is the one where a DEA agent is giving a lesson about guns to a high school class, declares himself to be “the only one in the room qualified to handle a weapon”, then literally shoots himself in the foot holsterring his sidearm. I showed it to my son to teach him to stay away from people who claim to be proficient with guns. One major take-away is that government employees are not the ones we should turn over all control to.
I enjoy the heck out of his rants. He says many times what I wish I could vent at work and not get fired. Doesn’t mean I always agree with him. I believe Gov. Palin has been brought up already.
“delusions that he’s a military genius like Patton. LOL”
Kind of a side issue to this thread, but have you checked out the 10 part series on Gen. Patton that started on the History Channel Friday? 1st part was about Operation Torch in Morrocco. Looks good so far.
Why, other than the fact you don't like him, do you insist on calling Mike Savage Michael Weiner when he has chosen to be known as the former?
Nothing to offer? What's he suppose to do, parachute into Iran? Where are the others on the Islamofascists' list?
Iran gets in on the Michael Savage bashing.
Not in decades has a media personality taken on America's foreign enemies the way Dr. Savage has. While other talk show hosts deserve our thanks for outstanding support of our military and their mission nevertheless national talk show hosts are lacking in taking on the enemy of America the way Dr. Savage has. IMO. A few tepid remarks from time to time just don't cut it.
To be fair I did hear Mark Levin dare CAIR to come after him.
If there are other radio personnel targeted by the Islamic Republic of Iran or other radical Islamist enemies I am not aware of them.
I think Savage deserves the recognition despite his severest critics.
Well at least the tyrants in Iran have a cute little name for him, Dajjal. A little classier than the Savage-haters here in the states, like $#&^! *(#%^! Yeah, like those.
Wow, the leading cause of terrorism in the world, the Islamic Republic of Iran, has taken offense at our own Michael Savage!
What other talk show host can boast that?
I am a fan of Levin and Savage. I am no one's acolyte. I do not take sides but when facts are in order I try to deliver.
Your brother was lucky. There are a lot of departments out there that only issue rifles on an emergency basis. And then their chiefs whine about their officers being out gunned.
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