Delusions of Evolution

Norcalblogs.com ^ | April 04, 2009 | by OneVike

[SnakeDoctor]

>> Stop trying to make sense on these type of threads. LOL

Ha! I really should just take my own advice and move on to more important matters.

SnakeDoc

[org.whodat]

Evolution is just another form of worship of men by men.

Remind you of the global warming debate?

Draw your own conclusions about someone else then attribute it to them and say someone is attacking the messenger.

LOL

Childish!!

[OneVike]

How many people do you know have taken a shovel full of earth and thrown it up in the air, and down came a Mercedes?

Thanks for making our point. It took a creator to take that dirt and turn it into metal and down the road with other creators making other items from dirt they eventually have a car.

God made all the elements needed to put all this together, just as the makers of a Mercedes took all the elements that were produced and made a car. It was not an accident.

It is not like some tornado came by and hit a junk yard and a fully functioning Mercedes was left. Why would you think that happened with the universe and man? We are much more complex then a stupid car.

Your logic almost has you there.

[OneVike]

Interesting, that is what many said to Christ.

I would rather trust the scriptures not a man. Read the scriptures for yourself, and ask your priest if he knows Hebrew. If he does not, then just study enough to know what you need to know about the Hebrew word for Day, and Numbers. I agree that you should not take my word over your priest. Take the Scriptures word over your priests. But learn what it really says or you could be on the wrong side when it really counts to be on the right side.

Your choice not mine. But if you decide not to learn then it is on your shoulders no one else's.

[OneVike]

No he is not. I am. He just posted my article.

[SnakeDoctor]

>> Evolution is just another form of worship of men by men.

Not necessarily so. It is true that evolution has been bastardized to some extent, and taken as a weapon with which to bludgeon Christians and Christianity.

But, acceptance of evolution does not NECESSARILY mean non-acceptance of God, Christianity or the Bible. Many Christians who accept evolution do so under the assumption that it is a mechanism created by the Almighty for the intelligent direction of life.

Despite what evolutionary athiests would have you believe, it is fully possible to accept evolution and still believe in, and worship, God and His Son.

SnakeDoc

[freedumb2003]

You just can’t grasp the concept that God is everywhere, everything. He is the very law that keeps us from spinning out of control and crashing into the sun- until he removes himself from upholding the laws he created, and also follows for your sake.

That is exactly my concept. He defined a Universe made of immutable laws, most of which His children have yet to find, define and use.

And that is why He gave us Science as a way to do just that.

First and foremost among these Gifts is the Universe unfolds in a naturalistic way. It does what it does using very rational, predictable and measurable ways.

Still waiting for the list or the Post #.

[tacticalogic]

No he is not. I am. He just posted my article.

Okay. If you had posted it yourself, would it have been considered a vanity or subject for the general/chat forum rather than "News"?

[freedumb2003]

Science measures a Universe governed by natural laws. Ekse it is useless.

And Evolution is NOT random. You need to do some work on science before you post meaningless lay definitions

[Nathan Zachary]

"Sometimes “good” can come from that which appears bad, like death. For instance, we often derive good from the death of animals (through the consumption of meat). Why would it be intrinsically “not good” to derive evolutionary benefit from the death of animals?"

What "evolutionary benefit" is there from death of animals (or humans for that matter)Animals have been dying since God put them on earth. No matter how many bones we dig up, we find that animals have been dying on earth since god put them on earth. some dies out completely. NONE of them evolved into other animals. NOT ONE SINGLE LOUSY BIT of evidence that even ONE, out of millions, billions of creatures is there that ANYTHING evolved even...once.

What people seem to overlook is that God wasn't the only one to do his work during the creation of the world we now live in, and how it is now, ISN"T the way it was supposed to be.

[Bryanw92]

"Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.

ROFL!!

[freedumb2003]

>>Good thing you aren’t a scientist. You’d still be clubbing animals to death and eating them raw.

So God fits in the scientific framework exactly how? How can a miracle be put into a scientific observation?

And I am still waiting for that list.

[what's up]

I’m still wondering why apes stopped evolving as soon as humanity took off. It’s been 4 million years. Shouldn’t we have some half-ape species out there?

Excellent point. Or how about half-anything species?

How come none of the evolutionists can come up with logical answers to these questions?

[Radix]

"Building up of resistance to antibiotics (or any drug for that matter)."

Spurious.

In a community there could be a minority that has an innate resistance to a particular antibiotic. If the larger part of that community is susceptible to a particular antibiotic, than that smaller group would inevitably reproduce more easily unhindered by neighbors who prior had some other aspect that provided them with dominance.

That is, the bigger guys got sick, and so the smaller guys were able to take over by breeding more unfettered. You can call that survival of the fittest, but it does not actually indicate necessarily that some genetic "alteration" occurred.

[org.whodat]

Ha! I really should just take my own advice and move on to more important matters.

You are correct, I cannot understand these people they have such grave miss giving about what they believe that they try to force it off on other people and some would resort to force in a new york minute.

[SnakeDoctor]

>> What “evolutionary benefit” is there from death of animals (or humans for that matter)Animals have been dying since God put them on earth. No matter how many bones we dig up, we find that animals have been dying on earth since god put them on earth. some dies out completely. NONE of them evolved into other animals. NOT ONE SINGLE LOUSY BIT of evidence that even ONE, out of millions, billions of creatures is there that ANYTHING evolved even...once.

Hang on there, chief. I never said there WAS an evolutionary benefit. If you read the whole conversation, rather than cherry-picking sentences, you’d realize I was talking to another individual who said that evolution was contrary to scripture because God said “It was good” after creation ... and that we would derive benefit from death was “not good” [that was a clumsy paraphrase of his argument, for the benefit of brevity — he is far more eloquent than that].

My argument was not that we certainly derived “evolutionary benefit” from the death of animals — only that it wouldn’t necessarily be “not good”, and therefore contradict scripture, if we did.

>> What people seem to overlook is that God wasn’t the only one to do his work during the creation of the world we now live in, and how it is now, ISN”T the way it was supposed to be.

Odd. Who else was doing God’s work during creation?

SnakeDoc

[Nathan Zachary]

"That is exactly my concept. He defined a Universe made of immutable laws, most of which His children have yet to find, define and use."

No, He's already told you what his laws are, and his purpose for them. He has told you that the time for this world is very short, so you better get your act together if you don't want to be destroyed along with it.

Still waiting for the list or the Post #.

Use google search. Or go to the wiki link. There are list's galore for you to indulge yourself in.

And again, Truth needs no apology. YOU however, should be apologizing for your rudeness to everyone.

[freedumb2003]

>>You got me there. I’m an engineer. That means I evaluate data and make things work NOW. I don’t look at a jawbone and make exaggerated theories about how some person lived 10,000 years ago.

But somewhere, someone does. Would you have someone come to you and say that F=ma is NOT the proper application for your vocation?

>>If this is all so complicated that only a PhD in anthropology can even discuss it, then why are you here? Let us have our uneducated fantasies, while you sit in your ivory tower smirking at us. You act like you are here to educate us, but when asked for specifics you insult us for not spending a lifetime learning a relatively useless science.<<

I just tire of people making blanket statements about their ignorance and then asking me to rebut them. If you don’t understand science, nor can define a Scientific Theory, as in the case of the OP, then you should not be posting these threads. I am sure you are capable of deriving the force of a collision given the speed, velocity and relative angles of the objects. I am sure I am not. That is why I don’t post “why Engineering doesn’t work” threads.

Are you willing to “educate” people with little or no knowledge of vector addition on the item I just posted?

>>It doesn’t hurt you that we are ignorant, and it doesn’t hurt us either. Belief in evolution has absolutely no effect on anyone’s life, but a belief in God does.

I believe in God. I believe that Christ was His Son, sent down to die for my sins. I believe God gave us tools to understand the Universe. Those tools only work in a materialistic Universe.

[OneVike]

Death entered the 'World" not just man. So the whole world began to experience death and decay, but not until then.

Besides evolutionists do not distinguish between man and animal and plant. They look at all life forms a equal. They need to because otherwise they would have to accept man is above all other life forms, and then they would not be able to convince us to protect the world over man. They need to reduce men to nothing more then a cosmic accident.

The same way they have reduced the unborn to nothing more then a tumor. That way when someone gets an abortion it was nothing. It all comes down to reducing humans to the lowest common denominator.

If evolution exists, then God does not. If God does not exist, then men are expendable. If men are expendable, then we can protect animals and the environment at the expense of humans life and well being.

Welcome to the new world of moral relativism.

[Torquay]

"What if I told you this is total and complete BS? Even a couple of hundred (which there is not of these typesof scientists) is not “many” compared to the millions of scientists who understand TToE. Get us a list of, say 25,000 Life Scientists who agree with your thesis and we’ll talk."

I got a good chuckle out of your "millions of scientists who understand ttoe" statement. As if there are millions of "these types of scientists", true scientists in existence who support your theory!