Posted on 03/29/2009 2:35:03 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
I understand there is a new anti-freeper site started by disgruntled former and present Mormon FReepers and it is their intention of bankrupting FR during the coming Freepathon by withholding their donations and disrupting our activities. Well, all I can say is, if they feel that badly against FR, by all means they should withhold their donations and drop out of FR. But it they attempt to disrupt our operations I will guarantee they will no longer be members of FR. If that is their wish, so be it.
I'm not going to try to defend FR from their claims of religious persecution, but I will say that Mormons have and always have had free reign to post their threads on FR just as all other religious groups have enjoyed. Free Republic defends the right to freedom of religion and has always welcomed religious discussion and always will. And Mormons have always been welcome here. I have absolutely nothing against Mormons.
If you are one who has left or is leaving, I wish you well, but disruption of FR is not welcome and will not be tolerated.
And this is not the first time such activity has been attempted by groups of disgruntled former FReepers. Good luck with that. There is always some group that feels FR should be bent to their way of thinking and end up saying my way or the highway. Well, I don't know about you, but I'm not changing so I guess it's the highway. Is it Feb 8 yet?
God bless.
Are there any other styles available?
I keep thinking of Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals.
Pick the Target
Personalize it
Polarize it.
I’m not a Mormon. Have no interest in being one. But I know the good Mormons have done for our country....Prop 8 anyone? Why are we eating our own? There are significant issues in this country, let’s stop playing into Alinsky’s master plan.
Joseph Fielding Smith, tenth president, maintained that the Mormons "are, notwithstanding our weaknesses, the best people in the world. I do not say this boastingly, for I believe that this truth is evident to all who are willing to observe for themselves. We are morally clean, in every way equal, and in many ways superior to any other people" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol.1, p.236).
But how does he get FREEPER IPs? I seriously doubt any of our mods are in with him.
Yes, which is why they need some other “Christ” to make their system work. The first One apparently couldn’t save anybody, according to them. It’s human hubris, as old as Eve
Unless one believes one guy, or a hand full of posters could bring down this site, this thread was much ado about nothing. The conspiracy was non existent for the better part. One would justifiably wonder why this was brought up in the way it was at all. What was accomplished in the name of conservatism?
Tell us Reno, when will the mormons stop their proselytizing on FR? Do you expect the anti-Christian stuff being posted right now in Caucus and Devotional threads to just go unanswered?
The mormon idea of the FReeRepublic definition of free speech is, and has been for some time, "Free speech for me but not for thee".
The reception that Mitt Romney got from the voters of the US belies your contention that a handful of Christians posting rebuttal to mormon proselytizing on FR is going to "destroy the conservatives"....
Romney did more to destroy the conservative chances at winning in '08 than any single person or group with his underhanded attempts to destroy the candidacy of those who were more qualified.
The idea that the few hundreds of posts on the Religion Forum being able to influence visitors over the thousands of posts on the other forums is frankly, bovine excrement!
Fred couldn't have said it better! ;)
Fred couldn’t have said it better! ;)
Thank you...I think. lol.
Your argument might have some merit if not for the fact that the war that you have waged against fellow conservatives goes back years here, whereas the caucus & devotional threads go back only several months. Before that, there was no proselytizing as you put it, just defense of our beliefs.
Are the caucus threads anti-conservative? Just out of curiosity GF, do believe we LDS posters here are conservatives? Would you rather have us on the conservative side, or out of the fight completely? Scary part? I'm scared to hear your response.
Why don't you ask JR these questions?
Those look itchy.
If the posts of a handful of Christians on one internet forum is a danger to the political conservatism of mormons in general, then their conservative credentials aren't very strong.
As I have posted before, when the 60,000+ mormon missionaries that are out their spreading YOUR message that all Christianity is "apostate" stay home and shut up, then your complaints against the truth about your religion being brought to light on FR and elsewhere will have some merit.
BOOK OF AN EX-MORMON
We as conservatives often wonder why we're losing the war of ideas, & we are losing that war. Part of the reason we're losing is due to spineless &/or corrupt political leaders. But another significant reason is that there is a faction of our movement that seems hell bent on eating their own...Can you imagine an independent that would come to this site, looking to see what conservatism is all about, just to find what a minority is able to do w/ other conservatives? The left paints conservatives as religious fanatics, & it resonates w/ many. Is there any wonder why considering what is found here? Instead of working on issues together to move the movement along, some are allowed to make this a site of holy wars. United we conquer, divided we fall, & will continue falling. [Reno232]
Reaganaut posted that part of what I said in post #369 bears repeating, so the next 3 graphs repeat that...but keep reading...'cause I doubt if I used the same appeal to Mormons that Reno just tried on us that they would agree with those "terms."
By most means, Christians & LDS can and should continue to work together on Prop 8 like campaigns, pro-life work, and other cultural & political venues. We need to work together without conveying that this is our highest priority.
But that doesn't translate into neglect that we share our deepest differences. One day this world's going to pass away -- and even before it does -- most if not all of us FREEPERS will.
We all face ultimate accountability before a Pure Judge. We'll either claim His Son's shed blood as the rite of passage to remain in His presence, or we'll hold on to a no-go substitute. That is why we need to work together at most costs -- but not all costs. There's something coming that transcends this world and its conflicts.
LDS rarely if ever start threads going after another religion. We simply defend our faith as do other religions (namely the Catholics). For that we are often vilified, & on a conservative site! I know some of you anti’s feel you're doing a good work for conservatism, doing the Lord's work. Do you really realize how many you're actually driving away? [Reno 232]
Give me a break. One of the reasons why LDS have diminished their thread-posting FR is because they were finally being challenged each time. Restornu, Grig, and others used to post threads quite regularly. And what would be expect from LDS? Many have spent two years on a mission. Does that mean they automatically yield their missionary spirit at the end of those 2 years? (Not on your life)
Furthermore, could you imagine Christians making the following appeal to the LDS Church? (the words in italic are Reno's words -- I've just applied them putting the shoe on the other foot):
Christians rarely if ever start 2-year full-time missionary work going after LDS in western states. We simply defend our faith as do other religions (namely the Catholics). For that we are often vilified, on LDS.org -- a supposedly conservative site! LDS.org calls us apostates, says ALL of our creeds (not just some of them) are an "abomination to the Lord" and that our professing believers are ALL "corrupt."
I know some of you anti-Christian Mormons feel you're doing a good work for your conservative God, doing the Lord's work by going on these 2-year missions. Do you really realize how many you're actually driving away? I mean, once you convert a Christian to Mormonism, they spend endless hours in genealogical research, temple ceremonies & rituals, bishop meetings to get their temple-worthy checklist established, long Sunday meetings, endless extra time at work to pay for childrens' 2-year mission trips, etc. What time is left over for the cultural and political cause? Do you realize how much the work is retarded by the inability to work for the common good, rather than just proving you're “right” on religious matters? on the porches, doorsteps and homes that the 60,000 LDS missionaries are sent to -- the majority of them being already Christian homes? (If the LDS was really "Christian" wouldn't they concentrate on hitting up pagan homes and not Christian ones?)
...For some missionaries representing the LDS church, it's not about a search for the truth, or even sharing the truth they have found, rather just about the win so they can pad their missionary stats and look good to their supervisors and family members back home. You may at times feel you've won a personal battle, proclaiming the Mormon gospel, but you may be costing us the conservative war [by tying people up in endless genealogies, which the apostle Paul expressly warned against -- 1 Tim. 1:4]. An exchange of ideas on porches, doorsteps and living rooms, even though competing, & on religion at times when appropriate, is not bad. But when it gets personal, when LDS missionaries trash another b/c of their religious beliefs, -- like calling every single Christian sect "apostates," "corrupt" and featuring abominable creeds [see LDS scripture Joseph Smith - History, vv. 18-20]. when you start using the liberal playbook, then we weaken our efforts as conservatives.
Reno, you and EVERY Mormon would laugh your heads off if a group of Christians made the above appeal to the Mormon church, which BTW, PROVED it's not just a religious entity but a political one by giving a couple hundred thou to Prop 8 campaign.
In the current situation if you don’t put the constitution and the republic as your first priority then you may likely end up with your beliefs being banished by the Nazi socialists who are in power. History is full of destroyed peoples and civilizations who thought this way. The Jews finally learned the lesson and understand that the freedom to practice as they see fit is tied to the freedoms their government infers on them.
Not Mark, Me!
I haven’t heard of it yet. Let me know if it’s worth the read.
Well as crazy as it is, somehow they have managed to accidentally come up with the Trinitarian view, which they officially deny.
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