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You and I Can't Buy the Guns Mexican Cartels Own
Gun News Daily ^ | March 1, 2009 | Ralph Weller

Posted on 03/27/2009 8:20:09 PM PDT by upchuck

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I had wondered how the cartels were getting RPGs, auto rifles, etc. from the US. Now we know the truth. They aren't.

Someone posted a good comment to the AP story linked above:

The Mexican gov't., our State Dept. and our ATF seem convinced that 90% of the guns come from stores in the U.S. but where is the documentation? Let's see a list of U.S.-purchased weapons recovered in Mexico: make, model, serial number, the name and location of the U.S. gunshop where it was purchased and the name of the individual who purchased it.
Another wrote:
Cartels buy their arms from countries around the world, most any place where military weapons can be purchased on the black market, or from countries wishing to destabilize North America. They arm themselves from a worldwide black market of full auto military weapons including grenades, land mines and RPGs. They also "procure" their weapons from the less than savory from within the Mexican military.

Drug cartels buying semi-auto AR15 or AK rifles from U.S. gun dealers is viewed as a joke by Mexico's drug cartel, most Mexicans, and unfortunately by the Mexican government. The only people fooled by all the political rhetoric are Americans listening to the likes of Attorney General Eric Holder and other anti-gun politicians.

This is taking a Mexican problem, blaming the U.S. by turning it into a crisis in order further an agenda, and Eric Holder and President Obama knows it and they are taking advantage of it.

Precisely!
1 posted on 03/27/2009 8:20:09 PM PDT by upchuck
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To: upchuck

I watched Sec State Clinton’s eyes just about popping out of her head as she described to Greta Van Sustren that America should have never repealed her husbands assault weapons ban , and that only re-instituting it will save the country AND Mexico from this deadly scourge .
Isn’t this heavy artillery actually coming from the PRC?
Where are the truckloads of AK’s really coming from ? NOT
America .


2 posted on 03/27/2009 8:25:40 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: upchuck

The criminals in washington tell the media whores the guns in Mexico are from American gun shops, of coarse the zombie followers shake thier heads violently YES. Its the American gun shops and the manufacterers of guns that are the problem. When we all nowwhere they are getting thier military grade weapons from. Distabilize, assist, stabilize and the north American Union is born.


3 posted on 03/27/2009 8:27:24 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC!)
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To: LeoWindhorse

I have read that the Mexican military and/or police had a large number of automatic weapons stolen and are trying to keep that fact hushed.


4 posted on 03/27/2009 8:29:01 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: upchuck

I’m sure Chuck Schumer and the likes are aware that they’re building an AK 47 factory in Venezuela, and he seems to think we are the ones supplying the Cartels? Folks I’d be more worried of an invasion from the south than a revolution here.


5 posted on 03/27/2009 8:33:07 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Liberals fear the return of The Cleaver Family.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
I have read that the Mexican military and/or police had a large number of automatic weapons stolen and are trying to keep that fact hushed.

Given the level of pay for the Mexican Army..., countless automatic weapons are mysteriously lost (and have been for years)!

6 posted on 03/27/2009 8:34:29 PM PDT by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: Jet Jaguar

it wouldn’t surprise me to find out that this is where Hugo Chavez’s old AK’s went when he bought those several 100,000
of the newer Russian model. Let’s get the truth out there about this before the gun grabbers use this as the justification for the next big ban.


7 posted on 03/27/2009 8:38:34 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: upchuck

Hillary and Bill had close connections with the Mexican drug cartels. She certainly knows this. But she is a congenital liar.


8 posted on 03/27/2009 8:42:54 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: upchuck
Just a few postings away an article states:

"Two commanders of the Zetas, the armed wing of Mexico's Gulf cartel, and 37 recruits fled the camp before the police and army arrived, leaving behind 500 grenades, six rifles and hundreds of rounds of ammunition, Blanco said."

Can't you just go in to any old gun shop in Arizona and buy a couple hundred grenades? /sarc off

The notion that large scale drug cartels would pay retail for semi-auto weapons in the USA is nonsensical. A good bit of the cocaine they distribute is produced by FARC affiliated rebels in the jungles of Columbia. Needless to say those guys have plenty of full auto weaponry, including AK-47s from Hugo himself. I'm sure you can buy weapons from them as well as cocaine, and its a lot easier to just load them on the plane there than try to buy them one by one in the USA and smuggle them across the border.

9 posted on 03/27/2009 8:44:20 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: upchuck; wardaddy; Joe Brower; Travis McGee

good read


10 posted on 03/27/2009 8:47:18 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: LeoWindhorse
These full autos are primarily coming to Mexico via Central American countries like Nicaraqua and Guatemala, and South American countries like Columbia.

They, in turn, buy these weapons from Chinese and Russian arms salesmen. Remember the movie, "Black Hawk Down," where every male Somalie, from seven years old to 70 were carrying AK-47's? They are more prolific and easier to get than a frying pan.

I don't know how much they go for in Somalia or any other third world Muslim country, but if you want to buy a semi-auto Kalishnikov here in the states, be prepared to pony up two large.

11 posted on 03/27/2009 8:50:43 PM PDT by Polarik (("Forgeries don't validate claims -- they repudiate them"))
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To: upchuck

More marxist propaganda designed to destroy the Constitution.


12 posted on 03/27/2009 8:56:38 PM PDT by o_zarkman44 (Obama is the ultimate LIE!)
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To: Polarik

ping


13 posted on 03/27/2009 8:57:43 PM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

What is the standard rifle of the Mexican Army, and how many of those have somehow ended up in the hands of the drug cartels?


14 posted on 03/27/2009 8:59:57 PM PDT by yawningotter
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Last time I was down there (three years ago) the troops I saw were all carrying old H&K G-3s. And the odd FAL folder or two.


15 posted on 03/27/2009 9:03:38 PM PDT by Seven plus One
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To: yawningotter

Weapons of the Mexican army
FX-05 Mexican made assault rifle 5.56x45mm NATO round
Heckler & Koch G3 7.62 assault rifle, made under Heckler & Koch licence
HK21E 7.62 machine gun. Made under license from Heckler & Koch
Heckler & Koch MP5 9x19mm Sub-macine gun.
Heckler & Koch UMP 45 ACP (11.43x23mm) Sub-machine gun
FN P90 5.7x28mm Sub-Machine gun used by army special forces
Heckler & Koch G36 Used in limited numbers 5.56x45mm NATO round
MK 19 grenade launcher 40 mm .
Beretta 92 Service Pistol.
M249 Squad Automatic Weapon and FN Minimi.
M-2 machine gun 12.7 mm .
Heckler & Koch MSG90 7.62x51mm NATO sniper rifle.
Barrett M82 .50 Caliber 12.7×99mm NATO sniper rifle
Milkor MGL 40 mm grenade launcher
MILAN anti-tank missiles. (559 transferred from Qatar in 2006)[2]
B-300 82 mm light anti-tank rocket.
Blindicide 81 mm light anti-tank rocket.
M40 106 mm recoilless rifle over High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle.
Brandt 60 mm LR Gun-mortar
Mk 19 grenade launcher 40mm automatic granade launcher.
M1 Mortar and M29 Mortar (75 Mortar of 120 mm and 1,500 Mortars between 60 mm and 81 mm)
Mondragon Fusil M1908 7x57mm automatic rifle used in ceremonial activities.

From wiki. Source unreliable.


16 posted on 03/27/2009 9:09:16 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: LeoWindhorse

I watched Hillary’s propaganda speel too - perhaps she and Holder and others of their ilke should actually visit a gun store and see what is for sale to the american public before they engage their mouths and make themselves look really stupid on national tv.


17 posted on 03/27/2009 9:10:23 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: LeoWindhorse
I watched Sec State Clinton’s eyes just about popping out of her head as she described to Greta Van Sustren that America should have never repealed her husbands assault weapons ban , and that only re-instituting it will save the country AND Mexico from this deadly scourge .

"Aww now, would I lie?"


18 posted on 03/27/2009 9:23:59 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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19 posted on 03/27/2009 9:24:59 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Seven plus One

My favorite gun....


20 posted on 03/27/2009 9:27:55 PM PDT by When do we get liberated?
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