Posted on 03/01/2009 4:35:14 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
There has been much debate over what constitutes a natural born citizen. Much of the debate has been misinformed calling the concept of natural born an obscure technicality or an overight by the writers of the Constitution. Neither of these characterizations are true.
Many times the true meaning of consitutional wording must be determined by looking at the era and the circumstances, and, in some cases, terminology in other sections of the constitution, the inclusion or exclusion of supporting verbage, and even writings other than the Constitution.
Article 2, section 1 of the Constitution states, "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of president; neither shall any person be eligible who shall not attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United Satates."
The addition of a grandfather clause in this paragraph says a lot as to the meaning of natural born. The first thing it says is that being born in the US is not enough to be natural born, otherwise the grandfather clause would not be necessary. The writers and delegates, having been born in the US, wanted to be eligible for the presidency, but most were the children of British subjects. Knowing that that eliminated them from being natural born and, thus, from eligibility, they included the grandfather clause which expired when the last person alive at the time of the ratification of the Constitution died. So, being a native born citizen is not the same as being natural born. If it were the framers would not have included the clause.
When asked to define natural born citizen, John Bingham, the author of the 14th ammendment which extended the bill of rights to former slaves, stated, "Any human born to parents who are US citizens and are under no other jurisdiction or authority." The Naturalization Act of 1790, also passed by this congress, declared "And the children of citizens of the US shall be considered as natural born, provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been a resident of the US." Neither of these definitions, one from US law, mentions birthplace, only the parents' citizenship.
This concept of citizenship by blood as opposed to citizenship by geography is a concept with a long history in British common law. A law passed in 1677 says that natural born citizens are those persons born to British citizens, including those born overseas. Alexander Porter wrote an article over 100 years ago in which he declares that the framers drew upon this difference in the law of heredity and territorial allegiance to define a third class of citizen applicable only to the eligibility to hold the office of president. According to Morse, "the framers thought it wise to provide that the president should at least be the child of citizens owing allegiance only to the US at the time of birth." He goes on to say that the the eligibility of the president "was scarcely intended to bar the children of American citizens, whether born at sea or in foreign territory."
The concept of citizenship by blood also precludes the equation of natural born with native born as the latter strictly demands geographical requirements.
Many argue that Barack Obama was eligible to be a state senator and a US senator and could not suddenly be ineligible to be president, but that is exactly the case. If this premise were true, Arnold Schwarzenegger, governor of California, would also be eligible to be president, and it is established that he is not.
Barack Obama has proudly and publicly stated that his father was a citizen of Kenya. We know his mother was eigteen years old when he was born. These two facts make Obama ineligible to be president. No birth certificate is needed as proof, and it doesn't matter at all where Obama was born. His father's non-citizenship is all the law requires. He is ineligible from the beginning, meaning he is NOT the president and can be removed from office without any impeachment or trial, it requires only a ruling by the SCOTUS. HE is, in fact, a usurper, a pretender or a fake.
So why has Obama been shepharded into our highest elected office regardless of the fact that he is, according to his own statements and the law of the land, ineligible for that office? It is because those whose responsibility it is to insure the eligibility of the president, the SCOTUS, has chosen, in violation of the law, not to override the voters that voted for Obama. They are are cowards who violate their sworn oath rather than make an unpopular ruling. We are no longer a republic ruled by law, but, instead have become a democracy with rules made up as we go along, never to be written as law.
POSTSCRIPT: In each and every case dismissed by the SCOTUS challenging Obama's eligibility the reason for dismissal had nothing to do with the merits of the plaintiff's claim. Not once did the SCOTUS rule Obama was eligible or even consider whether he was or not, rather they dismissed each case on the technicality of plaitiff's lack of standing to file the case.
After McGovern lost in 1972, the losers in charge in the RAT party said ‘’no thanks we’re not going to get out of the way someone else lead, we’re staying’’, been going more socialist ever since. They just waited for old line demos to die off or leave politics.
If they don’t rule on it (and I’m not holding my breath), it will set precedence and it will never be ruled on for anyone.
Most of us can’t get our states to do anything.....I’ve written my senators and congresspersons but they don’t care what I think..... they do what the rats tell them to do.
Here on the left coast people like me are being held hostage.
And upon the usurper who defiles the office and the trust of those he was elected to serve not rule.
Actually, there are several types of citizenship.
I direct you to the application for a US Passport, if you do not believe me.
It is entirely possible to be a Natural Born Citizen and be born in a foreign country.
However, at the time Obama was born, his mother would have had to have been 19. She was 18.
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Who has standing? That's what I'd like to know. Near as I can figure, it would have to be one of the members of the Electoral College, a sitting congress person or a senator.
If the democrats running the show know that they could get rid of BO at any time they so choose, how much power would that give them to control the executive branch. How scary is that? Of course a republican could do the same thing, but look who is in the line of succession.
I’m a defender of the Second Amendment too. Protecting the Second Amendment is job one. I just found out on FR tonight that my lame dem Governor has hidden an increase in the background check “fee” in his commie budget! It’s going from 8 dollars to 30. If the Second Amendment falls, they all fall. It IS the most important God given right we have, as you know. It is the number one issue to watch over during this time of socialist occupation of the White House. They want ‘em but they’re not taking mine.
It is kind of a litmus test.
More so than any other topic or position, discussing it seems to reveal the inner truth of who a politician is.
Having jurisdiction over, is not precisely synonymous with being present in a jurisdiction. Mexican nationals birthing children here, are granted citizenship by Mexico (as I understand it to be) regardless of how we in the U.S. simultaneously practice a sort of "good enough" mentality concerning U.S. citizenship for those born here, which sort of thing gives rise to possible split alliegences.
La Raza (The Race), anyone..?
Guns only have 2 enemies, politicians and rust.
Not at all, see post 68!!!
you might as well rull out Jindal as pres now, his parents were NOT us citizens when he was born.
You have the right to call him an USURPER!!!
Maybe we should quit allowing something like automatic citizenship towards parents who are not legally residents, while we’re at it. It may seem a bridge too far to mention it at this time, but what matters most in Obama’s case, is what the laws where, at the time and place of his birth.
> It’s just that Liberals figured that out decades ago.
Stop calling them Liberals; they are Socialists!
You sound like a total Jackass. If he is found, by the Scotus, to not be eligible for the office of President, he cannot run for two terms, constitutionally, and his first term will be null and void. You win the prize for the most convoluted statement of the day, not to mention just plain nonsensical.
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