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This deputy will be found not guilty or the charges will be dropped.

Once again, people who have never been in a fight or done police work, are looking at a video of police doing their job correctly and passing judgement.

I question why this auto thief was not in handcuffs...if the auto thief had handcuffs on this would not have happened.

My interpretation of what happened is based upon experience and watching the video closely.

I urge everyone watching this to watch it by pausing it repeatedly at the times I point out in this post.

The auto thief is put in cell and she crosses her arms. She flips one shoe off at the deputy and when she starts to do the next one

(Pause) The deputy starts to move to enter the cell to keep her from throwing another shoe at him or his partner.

Note that before he even crosses the threshold, this person, who just was arrested for a felony, has brought her hands up in front of her in a fighting stance.

(Play) She is struck by the deputy who is now defending himself from what he can only reasonbly assume, is her intent to punch him.

She is forced to the back of the cell and then taken to the ground by a hair hold.

Hair hold take downs cause transitory pain and no injury unless you land on your head hard.

The Deputy attempts to get her hands behind her back to handcuff her. She is resisting him trying to get her left arm behind her back. She gets two punches and he repositions his body to her head area.

The left arm then is moved behind her back.

Note the right arm is still beneath her body at this point and she has not made an effort to submit to cuffing with that arm. That is called non-compliance.

The deputy is now, due to his repositioning to a spot above her head area, able to snake his arm under her right arm and put it behind her.

The other half of the cuff is put on her right hand and she is picked up by her arms and her head is controlled by a hair hold.

As someone who has had someone try and spit in your face before, if I see bald head and a non-compliant and aggressive person in cuffs, I put my fingers and thumb under either side of the lower jaw bone and use this to control their ability to turn their head and spit on me.

In this case, she has hair and a fist full of hair is a great means to due this same thing without some lousy grainy camera, or bystander, thinking your trying to choke a handcuffed person when you are just applying pressure behind their jawbone on the adenoids.

The whole case will hinge on that moment before the deputy entered the cell and the auto theif “puts up her dukes”.

Violence ain’t pretty and and cops are allowed to use force for lawful purposes.


74 posted on 02/27/2009 7:12:20 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (There once was a dream called, "Hippy Beat Down." The mere whisper of if caused cops to cry.")
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
..... police doing their job correctly and passing judgement. I question why this auto thief was not in handcuffs...if the auto thief had handcuffs on this would not have happened"

Well? Which is it?

Anyways, the good thing is the officer got the other shoe he wanted. That's the main thing. Shoe control and all.

80 posted on 02/27/2009 7:20:32 PM PST by Leisler
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Two big men, one 15 year old female child.

Don’t give me your long disserations.

Two big men, one 15 year old female child.


88 posted on 02/27/2009 7:33:16 PM PST by ozarkgirl (I'll keep my money, my freedom and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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Violence ain't pretty and and cops are allowed to use force for lawful purposes.

Yes, but deputy Paul Schene is charged with fourth degree assault under the Washington criminal code. If I were him, I'd be sweating over possible Federal criminal charges:

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > § 242

§ 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both;

and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both;

and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

_________________________________________

The second officer might not be off the hook, either. I guess it depends on the Federal prosecutor.

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 1 > § 4

§ 4. Misprision of felony

Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

119 posted on 02/27/2009 9:58:38 PM PST by Ken H
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Your argument is pure BS. The cop is a punk and a coward and needs to be fired. Seattle is going to pay big time for this. The best thing the cop did is make her rich.


127 posted on 02/28/2009 5:30:23 AM PST by mefistofelerevised
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Once again, people who have never been in a fight or done police work, are looking at a video of police doing their job correctly and passing judgement.

Ern, you cannot be seriously saying that the same procedure you would use for a 250lb man is appropriate for a skinny 15 year old girl, even is she were putting up her dukes (and I have no doubt she was saying some really, really nasty things to the officers). Anybody with any real street experience would laugh at the idea that a girl like that was a threat, even if she took a swing. I'm not a cop, but I guarantee I could have gotten her into handcuffs without needing to slam her around. The only risk of assault from her would have been spitting.

If the person in the cell had been a 250 lb man, or even a 150lb man, I might see the reaction justified, but a 100-110 lb girl? Bah. What if the person in the cell had been a 90 year old lady putting up her dukes? Do you think the standard procedure would have been justified?

By the way, I am not one of those "no real man ever hits a woman" people. Those were the days when women generally behaved like women. Those days are gone. If a woman begs for a beat down in this day and age, I have no problem with her getting one. But a 15 year old girl kicking off her shoes? Nope.
152 posted on 02/28/2009 11:20:42 AM PST by fr_freak
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She wasn’t a car thief, she took her mom’s car without permission. A flinging shoe by a 15 year old girl is not a threat to two grown men. A lippy 15 year old girl is not a threat to two grown men. A girl that while being advanced on by two grown men who drops into a “fighting stance” is also not a threat, that’s defense.

At any time the cops could have slammed the door on her and that would have put an end to it right quick like.

This was police brutality straight up, not “police doing their job correctly” unless brutality is part of department policy.

Love people that defend out of control police unquestioningly. Boot lickers.


162 posted on 02/28/2009 1:06:52 PM PST by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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