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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
Once again, people who have never been in a fight or done police work, are looking at a video of police doing their job correctly and passing judgement.

Ern, you cannot be seriously saying that the same procedure you would use for a 250lb man is appropriate for a skinny 15 year old girl, even is she were putting up her dukes (and I have no doubt she was saying some really, really nasty things to the officers). Anybody with any real street experience would laugh at the idea that a girl like that was a threat, even if she took a swing. I'm not a cop, but I guarantee I could have gotten her into handcuffs without needing to slam her around. The only risk of assault from her would have been spitting.

If the person in the cell had been a 250 lb man, or even a 150lb man, I might see the reaction justified, but a 100-110 lb girl? Bah. What if the person in the cell had been a 90 year old lady putting up her dukes? Do you think the standard procedure would have been justified?

By the way, I am not one of those "no real man ever hits a woman" people. Those were the days when women generally behaved like women. Those days are gone. If a woman begs for a beat down in this day and age, I have no problem with her getting one. But a 15 year old girl kicking off her shoes? Nope.
152 posted on 02/28/2009 11:20:42 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak

No threat outside losing your eyesight from stupid 15 y.o. girl who you think can’t hurt you ‘til you get a fingernail shoved into your cornea.

15 y.o. girls shoot, stab, punch, scratch, every day in this state.

But the size difference on camera is such that it plays into people’s perceived notions of how boys and girls are supposed to act.

Nothing changes, ever, you’re not supposed to make the girl cry in grade school or police work.

And yes, I know someone who has had eye damage from this sort of thing.

This deputy had a guy try to strangle him with his own portable microphone cord before. He knows how bad it can get in a hurry, even from a person smaller than himself.

If you have to use force, you have to use reasonable force and end it quickly.

He did that in my opinion.

Again, I’d question why she was not in cuffs in the holding cell, but since I wasn’t there I don’t know the reason why.

I once thought a 15 y.o. girl couldn’t harm me and then I got punched twice before I figured out it can happen to me too.

I did the dance with her trying to be nice because I didn’t want to scrape her up on the pavement and it lasted 5 minutes instead of 10 seconds.

And you know what happened? The NAACP demanded I be fired after I used zero force.

So which is better? Going through the media telling people you should be fired for getting punched? Or going through the media and a prosecutor accusing you of assault and you didn’t get punched?

Get an application and pick you poison.


157 posted on 02/28/2009 12:13:59 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (There once was a dream called, "Hippy Beat Down." The mere whisper of if caused cops to cry.")
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