Revelation, Speculation, and Science

AiG ^ | February 18, 2009 | Dr. Greg Bahnsen

[GodGunsGuts]

Revelation, Speculation, and Science

by Dr. Greg Bahnsen

February 18, 2009

It is one of those embarrassing historical ironies that modern science could not have arisen except in the atmosphere of a Christian world-and-life view. Nevertheless, the scientific community today persists in playing the prodigal by assuming an antagonistic stance against the Christianity of divine revelation. Hypnotized by Darwin’s evolutionary scheme and enchanted with the products of scientific technology, modern man has granted science a secularized godship and bows before it in fetish idolatry.

The pitting of science against revelation is certainly odd. For, a certain state of affairs is needed for the scientific endeavor to be meaningful or fruitful. The scientist must believe that the state of affairs is conducive to science, or he would not venture into the scientific enterprise. He must believe that there is a world of things and processes that can be known and that he himself sustains a relationship to this world that allows him to know these objects and events. But then, what reason can the scientist give for his belief that the state of affairs is actually conducive to science? Why is the world such as it is and not otherwise?

The Predicament for Science...

[steve-b]

We're really tired of your lies and distortion here, but your cliam of being a Christian turns them to blasphemy.

projection (pr& JEK sh&n): the tendency to ascribe to another person feelings, thoughts, or attitudes present in oneself

[Natufian]

Hmmmm, okay, these vists to the margin just get wierder and wierder.

[tpanther]

Maybe he was thinking of one of you that had no idea where his head was, (while the rest of us have a really good idea...)

yes a coffee enema would work just fine in his case.

[whattajoke]

The "Limestone Cowboy" exhibit of a cowboy boot manufactured in 1949 or 1950, filled with a fully fossilized foot and lower leg, has been viewed by close to 100,000 visitors, and examined by paleontologists and chemists. Do you attempt to hand wave that also?

Really? The very same "Limestone Cowboy" exhibit that Carl Baugh has removed from his dubious "museum?" The one that I can no longer find evidence of on the very museum website in which you cite? A museum which is full of fakes and nonsense as it is, which leads me to believe that the fake bones in plaster of Paris were even too silly for him to display.

You suggested that scientists would "hand-wave" away your Limestone Cowboy "evidence" but yet, the main proponent of it has made it disappear himself. Strange, no?

Stranger yet is that you continue to prop up this foolishness when clowns like "Dr" Baugh almost seem to revel in their fakery. Take, for instance, his own bio posted on his own site.

While it's funny enough that he lists is high school diploma, please also note that his Doctorate is in Theology (hardly makes him an expert on fossilization!) But wait, you scream, he has a Masters in Archaeology! Yeah. Right. From good ol' Pacific Collge of Graduate Studies. A creationist favorite to be sure. Why?

Because it's a FAKE COLLEGE and a DIPLOMA MILL, which has been well documented. (Of course, it must be noted that Carl Baugh was the president of this diploma mill in the late 80's, right when he received his first entirely phony doctorate in Philosophy.)

The university had no accreditation and offered doctorates for a lump sum payment. The fees ranged up to 2,500-3,000 USD for a Doctor of Theological Studies degree. The school has an "administrative office," but no campus, so no classes are held on site. There are no minimum educational requirements to apply other than two references, one academic and one church related.

I wonder, e-s, does this bother you in the least? Or will you "hand wave" this away too?

[CottShop]

[[Organized disruption between 2-3+ DC’ers starts around post 4.]

Perhaps we should simply start reporting them IF that’s all they are goign to do- they add absolutely NOTHING to the threads.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

Nevertheless, the scientific community today persists in playing the prodigal by assuming an antagonistic stance against the Christianity of divine revelation.

Roses are red to symbolize the suffering of Christ on the cross.

[editor-surveyor]

First, I didn’t cite any website.

Second, all of the charges you make are childish, and typical of the evo charletans that post here. I cannot recall a single instance of an honest person posting here in support of evolution. It goes with the insanity that drives all of them.

[whattajoke]

First, I didn’t cite any website.

You are despicable. You reference some silly fake "evidence" with authority, now you shrink away.

Second, all of the charges you make are childish, and typical of the evo charletans that post here. I cannot recall a single instance of an honest person posting here in support of evolution. It goes with the insanity that drives all of them.

Huh? The dude you placed trust in is clearly a liar and a charlatan, trumping up clearly fake degrees. I'm sorry to piss you off (not really), but now you're acting like a 4 year old. Admit it, even wackadoo creationists like Carl Baugh no longer believe in the Limestone Cowboy. And now you look like a fool.

[editor-surveyor]

Piss me off?

You’re a joke, an uncontrollable guffaw, and a typical one trick pony here.

[whattajoke]

You can’t do it can you? You can’t admit that Carl Baugh is a fraud and that the Limestone Cowboy is no longer displayed at his museum; a tacit admission that it’s bs.

You are incapable of it. You are pathological.

[oldmanreedy]

"I wasn’t writing for his benefit. He thinks coffee enemas are an effective treatment for cancer."

Please, please, please tell me you have a link to this. That would be simply magnificent.

[js1138]

For cancer, Can’t find it. Found these, however.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1818914/posts?page=86#86
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1675498/posts?page=184#184
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1940463/posts?page=31#31
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2148472/reply?c=37
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2148472/posts?page=31#31
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1420749/posts?page=48#48
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2162156/posts?page=8#8
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2162156/posts?page=13#13
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2162156/posts?page=23#23
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2162156/posts?page=34#34
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/560837/posts?page=4#4
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1403566/posts?page=34#34
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1951176/posts?page=14#14
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1975542/posts?page=44#44
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1562305/posts?page=46#46

[oldmanreedy]

From your first link:

"You’re blaming the wrong cause. You should have first opened your gallbladder first, and then done a series of coffee enemas. You were not digesting the fats properly, and that can only mean a plugged up liver and gallbladder. (unless you are old enough to be lacking in stomach acid)"
-editor-surveyor

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is incredible. Thank you so very much for posting these links.

[js1138]

To be completely honest I wasn’t able to find the editor-surveyor post recommending coffee enemas for cancer.

However, if you google coffee enemas and cancer you will find quite a lot. Wikipedia has a relatively neutral article on the subject. There has been an attempt by a qualified MD to test this with terminal cancer patients, but so far he hasn’t found enough volunteers.

I could deal with terminal patients trying anything, and if the test is supervised, so much the better. There is some other weird stuff here, as you have noticed.