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Revelation, Speculation, and Science
AiG ^ | February 18, 2009 | Dr. Greg Bahnsen

Posted on 02/18/2009 9:17:16 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Revelation, Speculation, and Science

by Dr. Greg Bahnsen

February 18, 2009

It is one of those embarrassing historical ironies that modern science could not have arisen except in the atmosphere of a Christian world-and-life view. Nevertheless, the scientific community today persists in playing the prodigal by assuming an antagonistic stance against the Christianity of divine revelation. Hypnotized by Darwin’s evolutionary scheme and enchanted with the products of scientific technology, modern man has granted science a secularized godship and bows before it in fetish idolatry.

The pitting of science against revelation is certainly odd. For, a certain state of affairs is needed for the scientific endeavor to be meaningful or fruitful. The scientist must believe that the state of affairs is conducive to science, or he would not venture into the scientific enterprise. He must believe that there is a world of things and processes that can be known and that he himself sustains a relationship to this world that allows him to know these objects and events. But then, what reason can the scientist give for his belief that the state of affairs is actually conducive to science? Why is the world such as it is and not otherwise?

The Predicament for Science...

(Excerpt) Read more at answersingenesis.org ...


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To: DallasMike

We’re really tired of your lies and distortion here, but your cliam of being a Christian turns them to blasphemy.

Posting links to sites that are known for the production of propaganda really ices your cake.


61 posted on 02/18/2009 7:22:49 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: js1138

What a weather vane you are!

Contradict yourself as often as you like.


62 posted on 02/18/2009 7:24:16 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: DallasMike

“Um, I wouldn’t be so quick to jump on the Limestone Cowboy bandwagon...”

Yet another YEC Piltdown Man!


63 posted on 02/18/2009 7:25:54 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Philo-Junius; DallasMike; js1138; steve-b
No, he wasn’t. He was referring to those who upheld the steady-state model of the uncreated universe, which denied the necessity of a Creator.
Thanks for setting the record straight. Augustine seems to have held to the notion of a 6,000 year-old in some of his writings, yet in City of God calls the days of creation difficult or perhaps impossible to conceive:
"But simultaneously with time the world was made, if in the world's creation change and motion were created, as seems evident from the order of the first six or seven days. For in these days the morning and evening are counted, until, on the sixth day, all things which God then made were finished, and on the seventh the rest of God was mysteriously and sublimely signalized. What kind of days these were it is extremely difficult, or perhaps impossible for us to conceive, and how much more to say!" (City of God, Book 11: Chapt. 6).

Regardless of his views, we do not that Augustine did not suffer fools lightly and was not afraid of God's revelation through his creation.


64 posted on 02/18/2009 7:28:45 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: Buck W.; DallasMike
"Yet another YEC Piltdown Man!"

Ahh... as you ding into the bag of tricks of your fellow deceivers to offer a false allusion.

If we could harness your spin, we could drill deep wells for free.

65 posted on 02/18/2009 7:31:20 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor
Posting links to sites that are known for the production of propaganda really ices your cake.
I haven't linked to propaganda sites like Answers in Genesis.

Blasphemy is a pretty strong term. As I said before, if you were capable of discussing this article on its intellectual merits, you would.


66 posted on 02/18/2009 7:32:24 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: editor-surveyor
Ahh... as you ding into the bag of tricks of your fellow deceivers to offer a false allusion.
Speaking of deceivers, do you remember the human tracks supposedly found near Glen Rose, Texas? They don't even look human, but Young Earth Creationists jumped on them like a duck on a June bug as proof for a young earth.

I'm so old that the first time we sent to see the dinosaur tracks, an old farmer opened a fence in a barbed wire gate to let us in and charged us about 4 bucks. The place has certainly changed since the mid- to late-sixties.


67 posted on 02/18/2009 7:53:53 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: tpanther

Thanks for the ping!


68 posted on 02/18/2009 8:24:41 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: metmom

Thanks for the ping!


69 posted on 02/18/2009 8:26:40 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: GodGunsGuts
'Tis a sad but familiar tale. The greedy and ambitious son who seeks to murder the father so he may all the sooner possess the father's wealth and throne.
70 posted on 02/18/2009 8:59:56 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: YHAOS

Excellent observation.


71 posted on 02/18/2009 9:15:38 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts; metmom; tpanther; valkyry1; editor-surveyor

If there was any question about certain people organizing disruptive activities, there certainly isn’t now.


72 posted on 02/18/2009 10:48:50 PM PST by Fichori (To everyone who gave Zero his own Hawaiian-good-luck-salute and donated to the FReepathon, THANKYOU!)
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To: Fichori

That’s alright- their disruptions just show a desperation on their part to Deny God and to try to justify it by shouting loud enough that they can’t hear that still small voice- let em shout- it’s al l they’ve got- their posts speak volumes, and peopel iwll see for themselves how the only hting these oflks have to ‘defend’ their denials, is offensive behaviour


73 posted on 02/18/2009 10:59:11 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: mrjesse

Organized disruption between 2-3+ DC’ers starts around post 4.


74 posted on 02/18/2009 11:48:51 PM PST by Fichori (To everyone who gave Zero his own Hawaiian-good-luck-salute and donated to the FReepathon, THANKYOU!)
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To: editor-surveyor

I havent contradicted myself.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2188397/posts?page=22#22

Mineralization can be rapid. What’s mysterious is that there are no unmineralized dino bones, even though they are supposedly only a few thousand years old.

There are lots of unmineralized mammoth bones.


75 posted on 02/19/2009 4:10:43 AM PST by js1138
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To: GodGunsGuts
Although at times Richard Dawkins has applauded, and appealed to, Christian leaders for their opposition to creationist beliefs, elsewhere he has ridiculed them for believing in evolution.

That's what T.H. Huxley used to do a hundred years ago. If a Christain agreed with evolution, he would blast them for not believing in Genesis and accuse them of hypocrisy, cherry-picking, etc. If they did not believe in evolution, he would ridicule them for being 6-day creationists. Just like the evolutionists on FR do, by the way.

Huxley's son Leonard Huxley was an officer of Rationalist Press Association, which is dedicated to destroying Christianity. Leonard Huxley's son Julian was a major architect of the modern "Culture of Death". Julian Huxley was a friend of the Dawkins family.

76 posted on 02/19/2009 5:22:54 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Darwinism!)
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To: js1138; editor-surveyor

Don’t expect too much rationality from this guy. He still hasn’t provided a single rational explanation to support his contention that the continents moved into their current positions in a few months during ‘the flood’.


77 posted on 02/19/2009 5:27:29 AM PST by Natufian (The mesolithic wasn't so bad, was it?)
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To: Natufian

I wasn’t writing for his benefit. He thinks coffee enemas are an effective treatment for cancer.


78 posted on 02/19/2009 5:36:28 AM PST by js1138
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To: editor-surveyor

Nope. He was referring to people who refused to study the facts and educate themselves. Given the state of the evidence now, that would be the young-earth pseudoscience crowd.


79 posted on 02/19/2009 6:05:13 AM PST by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: js1138
He thinks coffee enemas are an effective treatment for cancer.

Well, if people with brains in their heads drink coffee through their mouths....

80 posted on 02/19/2009 6:06:22 AM PST by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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