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Surtsey still surprises (land features thought to take millions of years form in less than a decade)
Journal of Creation ^ | David Catchpoole, P.hD.

Posted on 02/16/2009 9:40:48 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Surtsey still surprises

by David Catchpoole

After the island of Surtsey was born of a huge undersea volcanic eruption off Iceland in 1963,1 geologists were astonished at what they found.

As one wrote: ‘On Surtsey, only a few months sufficed for a landscape to be created which was so varied and mature that it was almost beyond belief.’2

There were wide sandy beaches, gravel banks, impressive cliffs, soft undulating land, faultscarps, gullies and channels and ‘boulders worn by the surf (see picture left), some of which were almost round, on an abrasion platform cut into the cliff.’2 And all of this despite the ‘extreme youth’3 of the island!

The geologists’ surprise is understandable, given the modern thinking that young Surtsey’s ‘varied and mature’ features ought to have needed long periods of time—millions of years—to form....

(Excerpt) Read more at creationontheweb.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creation; evolution; intelligentdesign; surtsey
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To: ColdWater
"O.J.'s glove?"

Good analogy! - You're squirming just like OJ too.

141 posted on 02/16/2009 9:12:07 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor

“The perfect laboratory of geological reality, right in your denying face. “

So the specific proves the general?


142 posted on 02/16/2009 9:14:48 PM PST by Buck W. (BHO: Selling hope, keeping the change.)
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To: Buck W.

Anger? LMAOROTFDF!

You are a real case! Civil? is your deception civil? No, its evil, and stupid, and that is why we can’t help but laugh at you. You’re like a Hanna-Barbera cartoon character.


143 posted on 02/16/2009 9:20:52 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: GunRunner; GodGunsGuts
“Yes, they were so astonished that they all changed their studies to reflect a 6,000 year old Earth.

Oh wait, no they didn't.”
They didn't because they can't.

Professor Richard Lewontin explains why.
144 posted on 02/16/2009 9:21:20 PM PST by Fichori (To everyone who gave Zero his own Hawaiian-good-luck-salute and donated to the FReepathon, THANKYOU!)
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To: Natufian
"It moved the continents in about a year if I remember right."

Same old strawmen! - No, as usual all you can "remember" is how to thrash in denial of the obvious.

"Can you explain how the oceans didn’t boil away from the released energy of moving that much tectonic plate that far in such a short time or the colossal vulcanism that would accompany such an event"

Hey moron. you've just described the Genesis Judgement to a T. That's when our deep oceans were created. Unfortunately your personal demons won't let you read God's word to get a clue.

145 posted on 02/16/2009 9:23:59 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Figure 2: Fine layering was produced within hours at Mt St Helens on June 12, 1980 by hurricane velocity surging flows from the crater of the volcano. The 25-foot thick (7.6 m), June 12 deposit is exposed in the middle of the cliff. It is overlain by the massive, but thinner, March 19,1982 mudflow deposit, and is underlain by the air-fall debris from the last hours of the May 18, 1980, nine-hour eruption. http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/1541/
Well, ok.

I was going to say between 5 minutes and a couple months, depending on conditions.
146 posted on 02/16/2009 9:27:45 PM PST by Fichori (To everyone who gave Zero his own Hawaiian-good-luck-salute and donated to the FReepathon, THANKYOU!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Scientists actually went into the lake where they were all floating and sinking and saw what was going on. They saw it with their own eyes.


147 posted on 02/16/2009 9:33:07 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Buck W.
I was a young scientist when Surtsey erupted and watched with great interest the data and photos of Surtsey growth and development. Surtsey in scientific term is not a special case. I have never spoken with any other scientist that would call Surtsey a special case. There is nothing in the scientific peer reviewed papers that call Surtsey a special case. If you know of a peer review paper that put the title of special case on Surtsey please cite your reference. Thank you.
148 posted on 02/16/2009 9:33:30 PM PST by tongass kid
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To: Fichori
Yeah, you found it.

The entire field of modern geology is just a smoke screen for atheism. There's no truth to any of it. Geologists are either idiots or a part of the conspiracy.

149 posted on 02/16/2009 9:37:20 PM PST by GunRunner
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
“The Hebrew word for “Day” is used the same way it is in English. It can mean the daylight hours; a span of 24 hours; a unspecific period of time, an “Age, Epoch, Era.”” [excerpt]
However, as used in Genesis 1, it can only mean a 24 hour period.
“The Genesis story is absolutely true. Just don't bicker about Moses’s translation of his revelation from the Lord. [excerpt]
So God could create the Earth, but he couldn't make Moses understand what He meant by day?

How do you know that the people who recorded the words written in the bible knew thats what God wanted them to write?

If its not the inspired and inerrant Word of God, its nothing.

“When he said “days” did anyone stop to think whether it might be in the Almighty's reckoning; not Earth time???” [excerpt]
God is outside of time.

If he said day and Moses misunderstood, and God declined to correct him, God would have in essence, lied.

150 posted on 02/16/2009 9:44:01 PM PST by Fichori (To everyone who gave Zero his own Hawaiian-good-luck-salute and donated to the FReepathon, THANKYOU!)
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To: whattajoke

Hey, whatajoke, say hi to all your buds at DC for me!


151 posted on 02/16/2009 9:46:54 PM PST by Fichori (To everyone who gave Zero his own Hawaiian-good-luck-salute and donated to the FReepathon, THANKYOU!)
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To: Buck W.
It's my position that we can't actually know which is correct.Having come onto the stage after it was built,we cannot know,but only speculate,who or what used what method and what period of time was needed for the construction.

Even knowing just how our ancestors lived a few hundred years ago is surprisingly difficult;more than one tool or item has been dug up at some colonial site and no one knows just what it was used for!

152 posted on 02/16/2009 10:49:28 PM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: editor-surveyor

Hey moron. you’ve just described the Genesis Judgement to a T. That’s when our deep oceans were created. Unfortunately your personal demons won’t let you read God’s word to get a clue.


I wasn’t really interested in whether I described it ‘accurately’, but thanks for the boost. I wanted an answer to the question. You keep telling us that the evidence fits your ‘hypothesis’, so provide us with some answers to the points raised.


153 posted on 02/17/2009 3:21:05 AM PST by Natufian (The mesolithic wasn't so bad, was it?)
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To: editor-surveyor
You're starting to catch on?

I understand the tactic.

154 posted on 02/17/2009 3:31:38 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Scientists actually went into the lake where they were all floating and sinking and saw what was going on. They saw it with their own eyes.

That's great. So where do they have these petrified logs that they dug up?

155 posted on 02/17/2009 5:22:27 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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To: count-your-change

Sigh.

Yes, Eugenie Scott said, “Evolution applies to astronomy, physics, chemistry, biochemistry, anthropology, biology, geology — you name the field, and evolution will relate to it, like as not.”

It’s interesting that you take that to mean that the way you do. Especially in light of her next sentence:

“Most audiences have an abysmal understanding of basic science.”

Indeed.


156 posted on 02/17/2009 5:59:05 AM PST by whattajoke
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To: Fichori
Hey, whatajoke, say hi to all your buds at DC for me!

Oooh, good one. Doo-doo head.
157 posted on 02/17/2009 6:02:49 AM PST by whattajoke
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To: whattajoke

I’ve enjoyed this thread. The true YECs have separated themselves from the (only slightly) more rational OECs. I’ve tried to keep score over all these years, but it gets confusing.

Now that we know all of biology and all of geology are atheistic cults determined to destroy America, let’s move on to physics or astronomy.


158 posted on 02/17/2009 6:05:40 AM PST by whattajoke
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To: Fichori
You obviously are a Biblical literalist; as such, you discredit the faith. The church fathers themselves said it was foolish and even dangerous to take scripture literally word for word.

The Bible was written by MEN, as they were divinely INSPIRED through revelation; THEY DID NOT TAKE DICTATION FROM GOD ALMIGHTY! What they wrote was the best translation into human language they could do; the Lord feels it is sufficient.

God is outside of time, of course, but even the Bible gives allusions to how He views time: “..a thousand years are but a day to the Lord.”

Another example: Jesus said “I am the bread of Life;” do you believe our Lord is a loaf of bread?????

The Bible is FULL of metaphorical teachings, and if you only see the metaphor, then you're missing the real message!!! You insist on the letter of the words in the Bible, but completely miss the meaning. Just as the pharisees and scribes who were meticulous about keeping the Law of Moses, “you strain at gnats, but will swallow a camel!”

You become one of those Christ said his teachings were meant to confound.

159 posted on 02/17/2009 6:28:16 AM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: muawiyah

“Most disturbing is that Moses appear to have simply discarded about 1200 pages of interesting stories...”

Do you have a source for that information?


160 posted on 02/17/2009 6:39:13 AM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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