Posted on 02/10/2009 8:25:43 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
...Coyne and Pigliucci tell us (again) that there is such overwhelming evidence for evolution. OK, put up or shut up. They don’t know what a species is, they don’t know what the target of selection is, they don’t know if natural selection is a queen or a jester, they don’t know what adaptive radiation is, they don’t know how speciation operates (the main reason for Darwin’s little storybook), and they can’t connect mutations to any actual benefit to an organism. Other than those little minor matters, evolution is so supported by such mountains of evidence that only a fool with an agenda could dare question it...
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Actually, I looked up sophistry before I responded the first time. Your using the term seems to be another case of “it’s so because I say it’s so.”
But I’m not interested in arguing origins with you. My only point is that when you’re talking about the story of life on earth, evolution is what happens after life already exists. And so a theory of origins is not necessary to the theory of evolution. If you satisfied with the idea that evolution can explain what has happened since God seeded the earth with the earliest form of life, then you don’t really have an issue with the theory of evolution.
So I guess we’re both satisfied now.
It is hardly circular reasoning to study current rates and methods of deposition and extrapolate them back in time. It is also factored in that erosion and deposition back prior to land plants was much more rapid.
No sir, you know that’s not what I said. Evolution is provably wrong, and I have been through many points as to how.
But we were talking about “where the microbes came from”. And as you clearly implied, all evolution has in that regard is a religious belief, either that “God did it”, or another equally religious belief.
So as you implied, evolution is inherantly a religion, and as such, should not be funded by the taxpayer.
“I looked up sophistry before I responded the first time”
You didn’t know the word? You should listen to Rush Limbaugh. He often uses the word as it describes liberal arguments perfectly. Arguments of sophistry are very manipulative. Equating two things that are not equatable such as evolution’s requirement for a microbe source and a “requirement” for gravity to explain where matter came from is a very good example. Textbook, even.
Emotional arguments are also usually sophistry, or arguing against a fictional enemy, a “straw man”.
Spotting the kind of sophistry employed is the key.
I knew the word, but I wanted to make sure--it's a label that gets thrown around pretty freely. In this case, you claim my analogy between evolution and gravity is sophistry, but you haven't shown that there's anything wrong with it. You've just asserted that they're not comparable. "Because I say so" may not be sophistry, but it's still a lousy argument.
And if your previous post is an example of what you call "logic," I'm afraid you won't find much defense there either. First of all, the lack of a religious belief is not a religious belief. Second, you haven't come close to proving evolution wrong--you've just thrown out some talking points that sound good to you.
Besides, like I said, I was originally making a very limited point. I can understand why you'd like to change the discussion to where the microbes come from, but you haven't shown that it matters. Again, "because I say so" isn't enough.
Not believing in fake crap science from laughable web sites doesn’t make one a liberal. :-)
But being unable to discern the difference most certainly does.
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/03/americans_overwhelmingly_suppo.html
Headline: “Americans Overwhelmingly Support Teaching Scientific Challenges to Darwinian Evolution, Zogby Poll Shows” From March 2006.
http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=719
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Free Republic Poll on Evolution
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1706571/posts?page=63#63
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Creationism makes a comeback in US
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1856224/posts
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Teaching creation and evolution in schools
Solid research reveals American beliefs
http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v13/i2/teaching.asp
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Survey Finds Support Is Strong For Teaching 2 Origin Theories
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B07E4D9143BF932A25750C0A9669C8B63
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Public Divided on Origins of Life
http://people-press.org/report/254/religion-a-strength-and-weakness-for-both-parties
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Americans Believe in Jesus, Poll Says (creation poll results included)
http://derekgulbranson.com/2005/01/17/americans-believe-in-jesus/
What if different, unrelated single-celled life-forms came to Earth on more than one comet? That would mean that all life may not be descended from one common ancestor, as Darwinists claim.
In the case of evolution where each and every criticism of it is immediately and automatically attacked as "anti-science" and/or "religion", then it's more accurately identified as a cult.
***I guess if you look at the bright side, the more they are here posting this nonsense, the less they are out there in the “real world” scaring normal people away from Conservatism***
Anyone *scared* away from conservatism because of the lies of liberals bent on destroying the conservative movement, wasn’t a conservative in the first place; they are just liberal liars. If liberals would stop spreading the lies that creationists are anti-science and anti-intellectual, then there would be no worry about the conservative movement.
But the liberal, God hating atheists started that lie and the gullible have swallowed it hook, line, and sinker and continue to perpetuate it, like the good little useful idiots that they are.
The *real world* is that most people believe in creation over evolution and want it to be taught alongside evolution in the public schools.
Welcome to the real world...
Headline: “Americans Overwhelmingly Support Teaching Scientific Challenges to Darwinian Evolution, Zogby Poll Shows” From March 2006.
http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=719
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Free Republic Poll on Evolution
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1706571/posts?page=63#63
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Creationism makes a comeback in US
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1856224/posts
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Teaching creation and evolution in schools
Solid research reveals American beliefs
http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v13/i2/teaching.asp
************************************************************
Survey Finds Support Is Strong For Teaching 2 Origin Theories
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B07E4D9143BF932A25750C0A9669C8B63
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Public Divided on Origins of Life
http://people-press.org/report/254/religion-a-strength-and-weakness-for-both-parties
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Americans Believe in Jesus, Poll Says (creation poll results included)
http://derekgulbranson.com/2005/01/17/americans-believe-in-jesus/
Funny, in the case of liberals it works just fine for them...the NEA run gubmint schools work exactly that way.
What you lack in understanding of the definition of “theory” you certainly make up in the volume of postings on the subject.
I’m waiting for a vanity post along the lines,
“I Wanted to be a Conservative Until I Read a Creationist Post on FR!”
I think I may be waiting a looooonnnnngggg time.
In light of the issues of the WOT, illegal immigration, homosexual marriage, abortion, euthanasia, UN treaty ratification, gay rights, the economy, big government control of about everything, I find it inconceivable that concern over whether someone thinks that God created everything in a certain time frame or whether they believe in the hard line evo position, is going to be the deciding factor in whether someone votes conservative or not.
If THAT is the deciding factor, they are NOT conservatives.
The damage being done to the conservative point of view is due to the lies spread about conservatives, and the only ones doing that are liberals who want to see it destroyed, and to be able to blame someone else but themselves for it.
“I find it inconceivable.....”, as do I. Wasn’t really one of the burning questions in the last election was it?
Sure....
Somewhere between obama’s qualifications and voter fraud, wasn’t it?
Or maybe somewhere lower than Michelle’s wardrobe.....
Or what breed the First Dog would be?
Species: More specious than species
Genus: Smart but no genus
Family: He better not bring home a family
Order: Seldom takes orders
Class: Not much
Phylum: When his nails need it
Kingdom: He thinks he's king of the couch
Domain: Anywhere he sleeps
Life: Only at meal time
Sorry, you asked about the First Dog!
Breeds of dogs would only exist when there were different varieties to mate and reproduce. Therefore I would opine the First Dog would not be termed a “breed”.
Species: More specious than species
Genus: Smart but no genus
Family: He better not bring home a family
Order: Seldom takes orders
Class: Not much
Phylum: When his nails need it
Kingdom: He thinks he's king of the couch
Domain: Anywhere he sleeps
Life: Only at meal time
Sorry, you asked about the First Dog!
Breeds of dogs would only exist when there were different varieties to mate and reproduce. Therefore I would opine the First Dog would not be termed a “breed”.
I get a slow when the electrodes are put away for the night.
;)
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