Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts And Questions Say; 'Probably Not!'

Source? Sherlock Holmes | MB26

[mlo]

Hey, it’s easier than thinking for yourself, and actually trying to determine what is true. Go for it.

[curiosity]

Apparantly you reading skills are too poor to be able to understand the full paragraph. Perhaps it was too long for you. Let me exerpt the relevant sentence:

That nationality shall not be lost by any person under this section as the result of the naturalization of a parent or parents while such person is under the age of twenty-one years, or as the result of naturalization obtained on behalf of a person under twenty-one years of age by a parent, guardian,

Just in case your reading comprehension is so bad you can't understand the above, it means a person under 21 cannot lose his citizenship because his parents naturalize him in a foriegn country.

If you still, oh reading-challanged one, claim Bambi could have lost his citizenship while he was in Indonesia, please cite the specific provision of immigration law under which it would have happened.

[Red Steel]

The only thing I've see you provide is dictum in cases not anything that ends the NBC question.

And as you also know because it has been pointed out many times, the quote from the congressman is not the law.

He wrote the 14th Amendment. Bingham spoke of the intent and meaning behind his words. His words are in the U.S. Constitution. The 14th Amendment is law. Capeesh.

[Frantzie]

We know what is true but thanks for your: Alinsky-Obama methods. Buh bye.

[Red Steel]

Yes. It's very simple. No court of law has asked him for it.

No, it's because Obama has something to hide. He's also dishonest.

[BrerLion]

Obama has something to hide. He's also dishonest.

No question about that.

[curiosity]

Please name the court that has asked to see his BC.

[Michael Michael]

Are you crazy? Of course it has to do with politics!!!

I didn't say it had nothing to do with politics. Clearly there are political ramifications. What I said was, the fundamental issues, i.e. whether or not Obama was born in Hawaii, or whether or not his certificate is a fake, are not political.

In other words, whether or not he was born in Hawaii has absolutely nothing to do with anyone's politics. Whether one is a Democrat, or a Republican, or a Communist, or whatever, it has no meaning at all with regard to whether he was born in Hawaii or not. Just as the temperature of the water coming out of your shower in the morning doesn't care what your politics are. It's temperature is what it is.

In other other words, there's absolutely no reason to bring politics to the table when discussing these fundamental issues.

[curiosity]

He wrote the 14th Amendment. Bingham spoke of the intent and meaning behind his words. His words are in the U.S. Constitution. The 14th Amendment is law.

Ah, yes. The old legislative history argument. I wonder what Justice Scalia would say about the above...

[mlo]

"The only thing I've see you provide is dictum in cases not anything that ends the NBC question."

The court very thoroughly and explicitly explained its reasoning based on legal history for finding that a person born in the US is a natural born citizen.

"He wrote the 14th Amendment. Bingham spoke of the intent and meaning behind his words. His words are in the U.S. Constitution. The 14th Amendment is law. Capeesh."

He was one person involved in writing a part of the 14th ammendment. He doesn't decide post facto what the ammendment means. Its words decide that, and court interpretations decide that. Speeches he gave later mean nothing at all. The only reason anyone even tries to pass that off is because it seems to say what they want to hear. That's not the way things work.

[azishot]

I’m pretty sure I know who you mean...LOL! (Is that right?)

[mlo]

"We know what is true but thanks for your: Alinsky-Obama methods. Buh bye."

You don't know what is true. You don't care. You know what you want to believe.

BTW, doesn't Alinsky say something about attacking the messenger instead of engaging on the facts? Hmmmm. Who is really using "Alinksy methods"?

[Red Steel]

The question goes to Obama's honesty. He has not shown it to any court of his own volition because he has no integrity.

How fast did McCain show his birth certificate? Within about 2 days. McCain had nothing to hide even after the New York and Los Angeles Times questioned his NBC status in articles.

See the difference? One with honest character the other with questionable character. Understand?

[Michael Michael]

I question why the Obama campaign would offer a hard copy of the COLB to FactCheck for examination but no one else, such as the 17 plaintiffs who have been suing to see his birth records.

I question why none of those you mention ever bothered to go to his Chicago campaign headquarters where the document was kept and asked to see it.

Why not allow a certified document examiner to look at it instead of a couple of factchecking amateurs who evidently couldn't even set the right date on their camera or take a clean picture of the front and entire back of the COLB.

Because again, no one bothered to go to Chicago and ask to see it. No one. Well, other than Fact Check.

It had been known since August that that's where the paper document was kept. But no one bothered to go there and ask to see it.

[mlo]

Where did McCain show his? Who did he give it to?

[curiosity]

I agree with you that Bambi is of questionable character. He is a typical sleazy Chicago politician.

But that's a seperate question from whether he is a natural born citizen, of which there is no reasonable doubt.

And FYI, McCain didn't show his BC to any court, either.

[Frantzie]

Sorry I do not respond to your: Alinsy-Obama double talk.

[Red Steel]

He was one person involved in writing a part of the 14th ammendment. He doesn't decide post facto what the ammendment means. Its words decide that, and court interpretations decide that. Speeches he gave later mean nothing at all. The only reason anyone even tries to pass that off is because it seems to say what they want to hear. That's not the way things work.

It's the meaning and intent behind the words that provide laws for what they are. In any case, you haven't even come close to making a convincing argument.

Speeches he gave later mean nothing at all

That quote from Bingham above that you should have noticed was said on March 9, 1866. When was the 14th Amendment first introduced and ratified?

[Red Steel]

And FYI, McCain didn't show his BC to any court, either.

Correct, but no one questioned it's validity either, and no one had a reason to.

[curiosity]

That quote from Bingham above that you should have noticed was said on March 9, 1866. When was the 14th Amendment first introduced and ratified?

Calling Justice Scalia! Calling Justice Scalia! Code red! Someone is using a legislative history argument! Code red!