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Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts And Questions Say; 'Probably Not!'
Source? Sherlock Holmes | MB26

Posted on 02/05/2009 7:52:01 PM PST by MindBender26

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To: Michael Michael; SteveH
"Minor children, least of all those of such a young age as Obama was while in Indonesia, cannot renounce their citizenship. Nor can they have their citizenship renounced by a parent. The only person who can renounce one's citizenship is oneself."

This is a flat out lie!

Only a parent can do anything legally for a minor; that is the maening of "minor."

801 posted on 02/07/2009 2:17:54 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Wil H

If you’re mad about that, wait until Card Check is passed.

All these leftist bills and policies coming down and yet the trolls defend Barry as tenaciously as ever. All the while claiming to be conservatives.


802 posted on 02/07/2009 2:18:36 PM PST by Scanian
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To: sometime lurker

William Ayers runs most of Annenberg.


803 posted on 02/07/2009 2:19:57 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Michael Michael; Scanian
>>...digitally-fabricated images of a semblance of a Certification form with Obama’s alleged personal information on it. There's absolutely no credible evidence of digital fabrication.

There's plenty of evidence that the FactCheck CoLB is a fraudulent.

For starters, it has an improper Seal "stamped" on the document. It has a 2006/2008 seal instead of the correct 2007 state seal. The Registrar's stamp said the CoLB was issued by the DoH on June 6th, 2007.

The Hawaiian Department of Health used different variations of the design of the Official State Seal as one of their security measures to help pinpoint forgeries.

So, the proper seal design has match the year the CoLB was issued from the DoH.

By law, if the CoLB is without a seal, or a phony seal, it is not a valid Certification of Live Birth.

I defy Obama show that CoLB that appeared in the FactCheck photos in a Court of law.

804 posted on 02/07/2009 2:20:56 PM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: john mirse

No, I don’t. My mother might. I have something similar to the COLB.

That said, you are talking about a completely different issue. The claim here is that any doctor should remember every baby they ever delivered, and that is absurd.


805 posted on 02/07/2009 2:23:56 PM PST by SlapHappyPappy
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To: Cyropaedia

I wouldn’t waste a lot of energy going point-by-point with that newbie. He seems to have signed on just to plague eligibility threads. I violated my iron rule not to post to trolls just because he’s new but that’s the last time. He knows all the facts you cited but he’ll proceed to use weasel words and BS to try to refute them, just wait and see.


806 posted on 02/07/2009 2:25:11 PM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian

Giggle. Thanks


807 posted on 02/07/2009 2:26:24 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Wil H; Michael Michael
Just to set the record straight, your Geraghty link was not his last word on this issue. The NRO blog post you linked was made on June 9, before the COLB appeared on Daily KOS.

On June 12, after the COLB was posted he made this comment, which concluded:

"Obama himself probably has a dog-eared yellowing copy in a desk drawer somewhere; this document is what he or someone authorized by him was given by the state out of its records. Barring some vast conspiracy within the Hawaii State Department of Health, there is no reason to think his birth certificate would have any different data." 

I don't think he ever changed his position on the issue after that.

808 posted on 02/07/2009 2:27:13 PM PST by browardchad
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To: bushwon

You’re welcome.


809 posted on 02/07/2009 2:28:39 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Scanian; Michael Michael; sometime lurker

Michael Michael, and sometime lurker are both retread trolls.

Everything they have posted has been already disproven talking point lies, like the nonsense about a minor’s citizenship not mimicing the parent.


810 posted on 02/07/2009 2:31:44 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Wil H
You keep claiming we asked for the wrong thing or we didn’t ask the right people, or we didn’t ask nicely - that’s all bullshit!

No, I said your answer to my question was out of the context of my question. Which it was.

The long and the short of it is that 0bama has concealed just about every document he can and refuses to to let anyone find out who he really is.

Great. That's political issue. And as I've said a few times already, I don't care to argue about politics.

The man is clearly untrustworthy and shouldn’t be let within a mile of the Oval Office.

Well, we happen to live in a country where the states have chosen to use the popular vote to appoint presidential electors. If you're not happy with the results of that process, then it would seem to me that your main focus should be on changing that process rather than complaining about what it has produced.

Have you done anything toward that end?

811 posted on 02/07/2009 2:33:07 PM PST by Michael Michael
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To: mlo; Polarik
"You called Polarik a fraud by implication whether you admit to it or not. The fact is there for all to see."

No I did not. And this has already been detailed. The "fact" is not there for all to see because it didn't happen.

None of that equates to "fraud", which means a conscious effort to deceive.

Evidently you did not read all the meanings I posted for fraud. Synonyms count, too. 'Humbug' = fraud is the same as 'nonsense'. Your intent was obvious to me. But I will not argue this point any longer.

Birther" is a label which even some birthers have used.

That's an excuse and a rationalization. Blacks call each other n*, too, so do you parrot that?

What we are seeing here again is that some people cannot distinguish between honest disagreement and dishonesty.

Yes, but I have a very good 'distinguisher' after decades of teaching college and 18 or so years on the internet.

Notice that because you sometimes add to the discussion, I have been direct with you but not brutal.

812 posted on 02/07/2009 2:33:52 PM PST by 22cal (Forgiven, not perfected)
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To: editor-surveyor

No wonder you’re hitting ‘em so hard!


813 posted on 02/07/2009 2:36:45 PM PST by Scanian
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To: mlo
That was the umpteenth time I have see that same piece from the case, posted by 'mlo', you.

So why not refer them to the other post and repost the bold phrases only? Consider my idea and comment a friendly reminder about 'ducks'.

814 posted on 02/07/2009 2:40:48 PM PST by 22cal (Forgiven, not perfected)
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To: editor-surveyor
Michael Michael, and sometime lurker are both retread trolls.

I think you have incorrectly categorized at least one of these.

815 posted on 02/07/2009 2:43:12 PM PST by BrerLion (the alarmists are coming! the alarmists are coming!)
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To: BrerLion

Are you objecting to being left off the list?


816 posted on 02/07/2009 2:45:06 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: LucyT; Beckwith; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ..
The United States Library of Congress has selected The Obama File for inclusion in its historic collections of Internet materials related to the Presidential Transition during a Time of Crises.
Thanks LucyT, and congratulations Beckwith!
817 posted on 02/07/2009 2:47:12 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Jim Noble; MindBender26; Salamander; CitizenM; El Gato; John Leland 1789; Scanian
I delivered 60+ babies in Brooklyn, NY in 1975.
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Obama should be held to the **same** standard of proof of other presidents!

Other presidents had entire **communities** of people ( neighbors, friends, and relatives) who knew the family and their origins. Our former presidents could point to armies of people who visited the mom and newborn soon after birth, who attended christenings, brought meals to to the new parents, watched the newborn grow into babyhood, childhood, and adulthood. Some could even testify of being present at the actual birth.

I am 62 years old, and I still have living relatives and friends of the family who visited me and my mom in the hospital, attended my christening, and watched me grow from a newborn to adult.

Hey!....Obama can't point to this type of self-evident evidence??? Gee! Well,...How about a **lesser** form of evidence? How about producing a valid birth certificate, adoption records, passports, and college admission forms!!!

Instead of addressing the issue of his citizenship, Obama denigrates, and coolly dismisses, every American citizen by claiming they have “no standing” to know of his origins. Shame on him!

818 posted on 02/07/2009 2:48:39 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: 22cal
Notice that because you sometimes add to the discussion, I have been direct with you but not brutal.

I am also hesitant to use the t-word as often others. Especially in cases when the real problem may just be an over-reliance on Occam's Razor.

819 posted on 02/07/2009 2:50:56 PM PST by BrerLion (the alarmists are coming! the alarmists are coming!)
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To: wintertime
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And shame on us for allowing this usurper to be thrust upon us.

820 posted on 02/07/2009 2:55:15 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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