Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts And Questions Say; 'Probably Not!'

Source? Sherlock Holmes | MB26

[Yooper4Life]

Oops...didn’t see your reply.

Thank you.

NOW I’m done on this issue (unless I feel like responding again).

[AlexW]

“eligible *to* the office” “Chiefly Archaic”???
Hardly archaic. It simply means able to run for, hold or occupy the office.
Obama’s grandmother said he was born in Kenya, and Obama refuses to release his COLB. That’s enough for me.

Such a short term on FR and your already exposing yourself
as a forum contrarian, as well as a victim of “The Peter Principle”.

[LanaTurnerOverdrive]

All good points. I don't know. I own a legal video business and all the lawyers I have asked about this have told me that the cost to fight this would be minimal. Not less, I'm sure, than the cost of actually producing a birth certificate, but from what I understand the certificate of live birth that was produced contains everything necessary to satisfy eligibility.

[LanaTurnerOverdrive]

Are you a man , or are you .......... ?

Still waiting. Got those figures yet?

(Crickets chirping)

[Michael Michael]

“eligible *to* the office” “Chiefly Archaic”??? Hardly archaic. It simply means able to run for, hold or occupy the office.

Yes, the form of the word "to" as used in "eligible to the office" is chiefly archaic and is no longer used in that form today in any measure. Rather like we no longer capitalize all nouns as they did back then. I provided the definition of that form of the word and cited my source so I'll just leave it at that.

[HawaiianGecko]

"We know chapter and verse on the origins of every President to date - except Barack Obama"  Oh, I beg to differ about that.  Tell me all about the witnesses and birth certificates you've witnessed on Abe Lincoln.  None.  In reality, it is far more likely that Jack Kennedy was born overseas and smuggled back into the USA.  At least his family had the power and money to pull off this type of ridiculous cover up.  Not to mention his prominent Wall Street father liked to travel in Europe. Oh I forgot, Profiles in Courage a Pulitzer Prize winning autobiography written in 1955 is how we learned chapter and verse all about him isn't it?  I don't recall any interviews with people that witnessed his birth in Boston and I'm damn sure he never published his birth certificate. Oh, and no hospital makes the prestigious claim to be his birthplace.  For 40 years people have zealously claimed he's still alive on an island owned by Onassis.

You're right. Something doesn't smell right.

[LanaTurnerOverdrive]

That’s going to leave a mark.

[Michael Michael]

An honest president who has nothing to hide would have shown his long form birth certificate or even his short form COLB to a court of law to end this charade...long ago.

First, the charade is all Berg's. At no time between June of last year when the scanned image of the certificate was published on Daily Kos, until Berg filed his lawsuit in August, did Berg ever make any attempt to contact the Obama campaign and ask to see the actual document.

Second, if you had actually bothered to read Berg's case, you would know that even if Obama had produced his birth certificate it would have ended nothing. But you haven't actually bothered to read it which is why you say such ignorant things this.

So let me clue you in. This comes straight from Berg's amended complaint:

Even if Obama was, in fact, born in Hawaii, he lost his U.S. citizenship when his mother re-married and moved to Indonesia with her Indonesian husband.

Now tell me how Obama showing his birth certificate in a court of law would put an "end to this charade."

You can't, because your statement is as flat out wrong as it could possibly be.

So why has Obama not shown his birth certificate in court? The obvious answer, Occam's razor, is he was not born in the US of A. Sherlock Holmes would agree.

You turn Occam's razor on its head.

How is his not having been born in the US, which would require a series of rather improbable events, any more obvious than the simple fact that no court has asked him to show anything?

[Scanian]

I read your report when you originally posted it—all of it. I found it very illuminating and, having I read it, it kills me how any of the obfuscators can have any genuine trust in that Factcheck POS. No one has seen a paper document and all the Obots have to know that the usurper’s campaign was the source and not B.O. himself.

I realize what Sandra was saying but I took her affadavit as meaning that the Factcheck digital “Certification” was essentially worthless and cannot serve as proof of anything. Yet we have a group of trolls here on FR who cavalierly point to the Factcheck image as Barry’s “legally acceptable birth certificate,” the “document that Hawaii provides to people born there” and other such rubbish.

As a businessman, I’d have to have my head examined to employ anyone who provided such “documentation” as proof of anything. And as a voter, I refuse to even CONSIDER it as a HINT that Barry was born in Hawaii. He may well have been born there but the Annenberg fakery proves absolutely NADA.

[browardchad]

I have no idea

Then why link to it, in the context of Obama's birth certificate?

I had read on numerous forums about the loose laws regarding Hawaiian birth certificates and this is the program under which a Chinese national applied for and received a Hawaiian birth certificate even though he had been born in China. This popped up in one of my searches and from what I understand the criteria for applying for the birth certificate were extremely loose often with the certficate given out on the word of those who knew the applicant.

I've seen those comments also. They're interesting, but anecdotal information from anonymous individuals on the internet really isn't proof of anything.

I assume the "Chinese national" you refer to is that of Sun Yat-sen, to whom a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth was issued in 1904 by the then-territory of Hawaii, when Yat-sen was (according to the certificate) 34 years old. It was common knowledge, then and now, that Yat-sen was born in China, so that certificate is more in the order of an honorarium, or tribute to the man known as "The Father of Modern China,"  who once lived in Hawaii. The certificate also predates the "Certificate of Hawaiian Birth" program by seven years, Hawaiian statehood by 55 years, and Obama's birth by 57 years. It's a curious historical anomaly, produced in an era when even US states had no consistent or centralized birth registration system, so it's difficult, if not impossible, to see any relevance.

[Scanian]

Amen! Ignore! Thread after thread degenerates into troll fests as they show up, one after the other, spewing talking points, illogic, and naked lies. The constitutionalists get disgusted and leave; the thread ends up with the site pests having foolish conversations among themselves.

I seriously question the motives of anyone who employs every logical fallacy imaginable, lies, distortion, and weasel words galore in order to defend a “leader” who is so obviously incompetent. His approval rating goes down daily as he institutes one stupid policy after another and nominates a parade of deadbeats to cabinet posts, yet the FR obfuscators keep up a ceaseless defense of their Barry-boy.

[Scanian]

I handle it the same way. When I do, the troll in question will respond to me directly and I’ll tell him not to post to me again because I’m not interested in anything he has to say. But, of course, they feel the need to comment about that as well because no troll can stop putting his nose where it doesn’t belong.

It really does drive ‘em nuts, though, doesn’t it? (or maybe it’s more like a short putt)

[LibertyRocks]

Thank you for the ping, Lucy! This is great news!

Congratulations, Beckwith!

You have done such an excellent job on the site... Now, no matter what happens or doesn't happen, there will always be a record of the questions, the facts, etc... that "We the People" have raised over this election... And, that is a very good thing! Obama can't sweept this under the rug so easily with an official record... [It's like the HUGE elephant in the middle of the Living Room (no pun intended either! LOL).]

[Scanian]

Correct. The British head of state was/is a hereditary ruler who was interested in expanding his realm by including as many new subjects as possible; we, however, have a HoS who is an elected president—an office which must not be filled by a person with any allegiance to any foreign power.

[Scanian]

Sure looks like it. They zotted one troll on Thursday for being a belligerent trash-talker. Naybe they’ll do another.

[Scanian]

“I just don’t like seeing people get ganged up on and personally attacked.”

Maybe that’s why some of the obfuscators defend the Usurper with such energy.

[Scanian]

Just a suggestion: “birther” is a DU/Kos smear term. It’s best to avoid its use among constitutionalists. Same with “wingnut,” “truther,” “Obama derangement syndrome” and similar expletives. :)

[Scanian]

“He never misses the opportunity to be affronted.”

An identifying characteristic of a classic liberal!

[MindBender26]

My $250,000 is sitting in an account at SunTrust, waiting to move it to Greenberg-Traurig or Holland & Knight as escrow agents. Where us yours?

Here among the adults, a wager is a serious matter, not for some kid's milk money, and we don't show our cards until the real money is on the table.

Are you a man? Are you in or out?

[usmcobra]

Can we call the usurper’s minions, “Forgery Tools” or more simply “forgererer”?