Posted on 01/03/2009 7:01:24 AM PST by dascallie
Last night Ed Hale presented the (heretofore, unseen) divorce decree on Plains Radio between Obama's mother and Obama Sr ( her FIRST marriage).
The key bonus in this was the revelation of the specific version of her name in the decree, Stanley Ann D. Obama.
Using this precise name variation ( the abbreviated, initial "D" --instead of 'Dunham', was the cipher that broke open the search), they are claiming to have now located a POE (Port of Entry ) document that Obama's mother provided when she returned to the US with her son--soon after Obama's birth, (allegedly in Kenya).
The POE allegedly includes Obama's birth information/certificate ( British Kenya) as required for entry. Stay tuned for events...see other comments below. -------------------------------------------------- DesertVet Newbie
Posts: 11 Re: Obama-Dunham 1964 DIVORCE DECREE Forthcoming « Reply #53 on: January 02, 2009, 09:39:16 PM » ***********Stanley Ann D. Obama*************
No secret I've been highly skeptical on this whole ordeal. I'm now beginning to think this could very well lead the way to the smoking gun. Until this document she has only been known as "Dunham", no where in public records has Obama's Mothers name read as it does on this divorce decree. I believe the "D" being abreviated has allowed them to locate her records. This has led them to a "port of entry" birth certificate for Barack Obama. She submitted this POE certificate when she came back to the US, and the fact that there is a POE Certificate...proves that he was indeed born out of the country.
This would mean that Obama has never been through Immigration & Naturalization Services in his life, he became a citizen of Indonesia, and never applied for a U.S. passport. If this is the case, then he's not even a citizen, let alone a natural born citizen.
I'm not 100% certain on my assertion of above take on this document issue, but I think it is HIGHLY plausible. I'm still not ready to dance in the streets by any means yet (Yeah, I'm a tough sell). But I am quite intriguied at the moment. Couldn't say that earlier today.
“Now, who in the GOP has Obama been able to block?”
John McCain because John McCain is not a natural born citizen either since he was born in Colon, Panama.
And what country did he go to where they would not let him enter?
Where are you getting that from ? Here is the law repeated with the pertinent sections highlighted :
[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child , the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
Actually under this current law Obama himself could go in today and get one issued. From section a:
a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
All he would have to show was that his mother and father had declared Hawii as their legal residence one year prior to his birth
Yeah, but Obama did not forge it himself. Surely it was “overzealous supporters.” C’mon, he’s got a huge bus with lots of room underneath. “That wasn’t the Stop the Smears I knew.”
I was told Bush would stay in office and declare martial law? I don’t think so, but we might end up with Pelosi...
I find it interesting Madelyn and Stanley Dunham were close friends with a British double agent. Picture included. And that Rolla C Payne was possibly from England. Stanley Dunham considered a Army intelligence and CIA agent is curious also.
Army intelligence means you are privvy to private documents and you are authorized or selected. A secretary for the green berets was considered Army Intelligence. CIA intelligence however is a big deal and it would be why information is so skewed on the whole family.
Nothing adds up. I just checked out Obama's ancestry and a lot of information in it cannot be proven. Like his birth hospital in hawaii is there. Some of that is based on hearsay and Obama's books.
If any of these rumors are false then Obama should step forward and clear it all up. I would have no problem doing it myself if I wanted all the people to believe in me. I would want to do it so there is none of this guessing going on. Instead he has the internet scrubbed, has his team speak for him and makes trips to see grandmother when a court case is asking for Obama's BC in Hawaii. He never acknowledges what is going on and he never steps up to the scotus and sends his BC along with a highly paid terrorist CAIR attorney.
He did enter but no travel from the US was allowed in the country.
It's on freep but you have to search and I know how you hate that.
And yes, there is a big difference between a travel ban and travel advisory.
In 1961, the most likelyair carrier out of Kenya would have been BOAC.
During Monday's speech, Obama said: "My grandfather marched in Patton's Army, but I cannot know what it is to walk into battle like so many of you."
In a 2002 anti-war speech, Obama told the audience, "My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain."
But in his autobiography, "Dreams of My Father," Obama states his grandfather never engaged in combat.
"Gramps returned from the war never having seen real combat, and the family moved to California, where he enrolled at Berkeley under the GI bill," he writes. "But the classroom couldn't contain his ambitions, his restlessness, and so the family moved again."
Obama's 2002 claim his grandfather enlisted in the Army the day after the bombing of Pearl Harbor is contradicted by Army records showing Dunham signed up June 18, 1942 – six months after Pearl Harbor.
I have no idea what you are talking about. Do you have a link that explains it better?
Look in your dictionary for the words “ban” and “advisory.”
I have no idea what you are talking about. You are posting but nothing adds up so far.
Sorry about that. However I assumed that you knew the difference between a Travel Ban and a Travel Advisory issued by the State Department.
Sometimes, I assume that everyone travels overseas on a regular basis and has to check into those matters whenever they travel ouside if The US.
I have not seen Obama prove his passport is in the United states. I read he has one that was 2005 and he had never had one previously. But I cannot confirm he had one in 2005 either.
If that story is correct that his only passport was created in 2005, what did he travel to Pakistan on?
Give Obama a call and tell him he has to come clean. Show the BC long form stating where he was born, what hospital, physician, where his mother was born.
Wouldn't that be easier than you obfuscating information all day long as posters try to find the truth? Wouldn't that make Obama so much more appealing if he were open and truthful? The answer to everyone who has not been duped by Obama is YES. He ran on transparency in government so let's see some of it. YOU could not get a drivers license at 16 without a verified copy of your BC. They keep it on file too. Why is Obama any different?
Can you show the state department travel advisory link in 1981? Can you also show what the requirements to enter into the under martial law Pakistan by that government for Americans? And can you show Obama had a United States passport in 1981?
The point is you have proven nothing more than any of the other posters looking for the truth.
Obama said he traveled to Pakistan in 1981, that we have proof of him saying. That's about it.
Hey truman, I will try to catch you later. I am beat for the day. You win. I have learned a couple of things today.
Thanks!
The State Department does not specify if there was a Travel Ban or Travel Advisory for Americans to Pakistan in 1981.
However, in July of 1981 the NYT in their Travel Section had an article about American tourists going to Pakistan.
The NYT piece states:
Tourists can obtain a free, 30-day visa (necessary for Americans) at border crossings and airports. Transportation within Lahore is plentiful, with taxis, scooter rickshaws and horse-drawn tongas (especially in the old city) readily available. Insist that taxis and scooter rickshaws use their meters to determine fares, however.
Americans needed a Visa to enter Pakistan so there must not have been a ban.
The NYT piece also states that Pakistan International Airlines had an office in NYC.
For more information write to Pakistan International Airlines, 551 Fifth Avenue, New York, N.Y. 10017 (212-949-0477)
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0DE2DA1338F937A25755C0A967948260&sec=travel&spon=&pagewanted=5
Therefore, the the theory that Americans could not travel to Pakistan in 1981 is pure nonsense.
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