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California Supreme Court allows good Samaritans to be sued for nonmedical care
Los Angeles Times ^ | December 19, 2008 | Carol J. Williams

Posted on 12/19/2008 9:16:55 AM PST by FoxInSocks

The California Supreme Court ruled Thursday that a young woman who pulled a co-worker from a crashed vehicle isn't immune from civil liability because the care she rendered wasn't medical.

The divided high court appeared to signal that rescue efforts are the responsibility of trained professionals. It was also thought to be the first ruling by the court that someone who intervened in an accident in good faith could be sued.

Lisa Torti of Northridge allegedly worsened the injuries suffered by Alexandra Van Horn by yanking her "like a rag doll" from the wrecked car on Topanga Canyon Boulevard.

Torti now faces possible liability for injuries suffered by Van Horn, a fellow department store cosmetician who was rendered a paraplegic in the accident that ended a night of Halloween revelry in 2004.

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The three dissenting justices argued, however, that the aim of the legislation was clearly "to encourage persons not to pass by those in need of emergency help, but to show compassion and render the necessary aid."

Justice Marvin R. Baxter said the ruling was "illogical" because it recognizes legal immunity for nonprofessionals administering medical care while denying it for potentially life-saving actions like saving a person from drowning or carrying an injured hiker to safety.

"One who dives into swirling waters to retrieve a drowning swimmer can be sued for incidental injury he or she causes while bringing the victim to shore, but is immune for harm he or she produces while thereafter trying to revive the victim," Baxter wrote for the dissenters. "Here, the result is that defendant Torti has no immunity for her bravery in pulling her injured friend from a crashed vehicle, even if she reasonably believed it might be about to explode."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; goodsamaritan; goodsamaritans; lawsuit; ruling
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To: FoxInSocks

While it’s true that moving an accident victim can do more harm than good depending on the injury, my concern with this ruling is that it’ll stop people from helping others in need. Let’s say the car is really on fire, or someone is drowning, etc. What then? People aren’t going to want to risk being sued. Instead of educating people on what to look for before giving certain types of aid, we’re entering a world where everything must be left up to government-funded aid. Disgusting.


21 posted on 12/19/2008 9:28:23 AM PST by NinoFan
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To: FoxInSocks

Okay, sir, if you’ll sign this document I printed up from LegalZoom.com promising to hold me legally blameless for my actions, I’ll pull your sizzling arse out of the fire, otherwise I’m afraid I can’t.


22 posted on 12/19/2008 9:29:02 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Dallas59

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23 posted on 12/19/2008 9:29:06 AM PST by Funee Kat
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To: FoxInSocks

Interesting case and good post. As much as the usual comments are going to get thrown at the court (and not without some merit), this instance is the one area where I could see that a good samaritan can do quite a bit of harm. If a good samaritan with no medical training pulls someone from a wrecked, but otherwise okay, car causing paralysis, does that person have some responsibility for his actions?


24 posted on 12/19/2008 9:30:21 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: FoxInSocks

The woman who was injured

1. Was out drinking and got into a car with a drinking driver
2. Was rendered Paraplegic from it.

They are determining her cash award by the inability to do her “Dream Job”, a make-up artist at a studio.

Wouldn’t this actually put her in a better position per the ADA? She is not quad. Why can’t she still do make-up?


25 posted on 12/19/2008 9:30:24 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Always Right

tell me about it. I know a software company that won’t do business in Texas and a couple of other states because of what it calls a hostile legal climate.


26 posted on 12/19/2008 9:30:24 AM PST by willyd (My Driver's License is under Obama's Birth Certificate officer.)
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To: rineaux
I would think “staring” would constitute not administering aid. Maybe best to run from an accident witnessed and pray no one saw you. Otherwise you could be sued.

This just in: Police are searching for a suspect in a Look and Run incident.

27 posted on 12/19/2008 9:30:41 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat. But they know what's best.)
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To: FoxInSocks

Calif Supreme Court = Distilled Evil.


28 posted on 12/19/2008 9:30:42 AM PST by Seruzawa (Obamalama lied, the republic died.)
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To: reaganaut1

The douchebags sitting and doing nothing get all the credit. Heros of the street are political nuisances to them. Same thing happens to soldiers in Iraq with JAG.

It’s better to be the terrorist messing himself up these days. Idiot proofing America is the new doctrine of liberal utopia.


29 posted on 12/19/2008 9:31:13 AM PST by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: FoxInSocks

Lawyers win another one. Saving people is for professionals! What kind of person thinks that way? Maybe everyone should have a Release form on their person at all time, to have any potential victim sign them before they go ahead and try to save their life! The world has gone mad.


30 posted on 12/19/2008 9:31:20 AM PST by winner3000
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To: FoxInSocks

“The California Supreme Court ruled Thursday that a young woman who pulled a co-worker from a crashed vehicle isn’t immune from civil liability because the care she rendered wasn’t medical. “

I thought the roadside good Samaritan laws protected against liability even for non-medical? Imagine people being told, “See an accident? Keep driving. You don’t want to get sued and lose your life.”


31 posted on 12/19/2008 9:32:29 AM PST by CodeToad
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To: winner3000

Wow, Ted Kennedy is a forward thinker.


32 posted on 12/19/2008 9:32:29 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: FoxInSocks

“Ms. Torti ran up in a state of panic, literally grabbed Ms. Van Horn by the shoulder and yanked her out, then dropped her next to the car,” he said, deeming Torti’s assessment of an imminent explosion “irrational” and her action in leaving Van Horn close to the car inconsistent with that judgment.”

I’d also condemn the ruling except for this. If the rescuer put the victim down next to the car, then the fear of an explosion doesn’t seem as if it was the motive at the time. I’d also want to know if the rescuer talked with the victim, or if the victim was coherent enough to respond before she was pulled from the car. And the article said the others present did not fear an imminent explosion of the car.

It is pretty widely known that crash victims should only be moved by professional personnel, and people should follow that advice except in extraordinary circumstances.

A tough one with no easy answer.


33 posted on 12/19/2008 9:32:48 AM PST by Will88
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To: FoxInSocks
Bizarre ruling from a bizarre group of individuals.

I guess we can call this Kitty Genovese Good Samaritan Law

34 posted on 12/19/2008 9:33:07 AM PST by Cyman
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To: domenad

It would appear so.


35 posted on 12/19/2008 9:33:38 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: FoxInSocks

florida passed a law years ago preventing a good samaritin from being sued.....keep passing laws to allow people to be sued no one is going to help anyone....just doesn’t pay to be a good person anymore these days.....


36 posted on 12/19/2008 9:33:46 AM PST by tatsinfla
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To: N. Theknow

“Police are searching for a suspect in a Look and Run incident.”

It wasn’t me it was anotha brotha!


37 posted on 12/19/2008 9:33:49 AM PST by rineaux
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To: winner3000

Wow, Ted Kennedy is a forward thinker.


38 posted on 12/19/2008 9:34:25 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: N. Theknow

BTW, I am in tears. LOL. “Look and Run incident”.


39 posted on 12/19/2008 9:35:07 AM PST by rineaux
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To: rineaux

“bent” as in over...??....lol...


40 posted on 12/19/2008 9:35:50 AM PST by tatsinfla
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