Posted on 12/03/2008 11:43:31 PM PST by BP2
By James Wright
AFRO Staff Writer
(December 3, 2008) - In a highly unusual move, U.S. Associate Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas has asked his colleagues on the court to consider the request of an East Brunswick, N.J. attorney who has filed a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obamas status as a United States citizen.
Thomass action took place after Justice David Souter had rejected a petition known as an application for a stay of writ of certiorari that asked the court to prevent the meeting of the Electoral College on Dec. 15, which will certify Obama as the 44th president of the United States and its first African-American president.
The court has scheduled a Dec. 5 conference on the writ -- just 10 days before the Electoral College meets.
The high courts only African American is bringing the matter to his colleagues as a result of the writ that was filed by attorney Leo Donofrio. Donofrio sued the New Jersey Secretary of State Nina Wells, contending that Obama was not qualified to be on the states presidential ballot because of Donofrios own questions about Obama citizenship.
Donofrio is a retired lawyer who identifies himself as a citizens advocate. The AFRO learned that he is a contributor to naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com, a Web site that raises questions about Obamas citizenship.
Calls made to Donofrios residence were not returned to the AFRO by press time.
Donofrio is questioning Obamas citizenship because the former Illinois senator, whose mom was from Kansas, was born in Hawaii and his father was a Kenyan national. Therefore, Donofrio argues, Obamas dual citizenship does not make Obama a natural born citizen as required by Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution, which states:
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President
...to prevent the meeting of the Electoral College on Dec. 15, which
will certify Obama as the 44th president of the United States...
Donofrio had initially tried to remove the names not only of Obama, but also the names of Republican Party presidential nominee John McCain and Socialist Workers Party Roger Calero from appearing on the Nov. 4 general election ballot in his home state of New Jersey.
McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone when it was a U.S. possession. Calero would be ineligible to be president because he was born in Nicaragua.
After his efforts were unsuccessful in the New Jersey court system, he decided to take his case to a higher level.
On Nov. 6, Souter denied the stay. Donofrio, following the rules of the procedure for the Supreme Court, re-submitted the application as an emergency stay in accordance to Rule 22, which states, in part, that an emergency stay can be given to another justice, which is the choice of the petitioner.
Donofrios choice was Thomas. He submitted the emergency stay to Thomass office on Nov. 14. Thomas accepted the application on Nov. 19 and on that day, submitted it for consideration by his eight colleagues - known as a conference - and scheduled it for Dec. 5.
On Nov. 26, a supplemental brief was filed by Donofrio to the clerks office of the Supreme Court. A letter to the court explaining the reason for the emergency stay was filed on Dec. 1 at the clerks office.
Thomass actions were rare because, by custom, when a justice rejects a petition from his own circuit, the matter is dead. Even if, as can be the case under Rule 22, the matter can be submitted to another justice for consideration, that justice out of respect, will reject it also, said Trevor Morrison, a professor of law at Columbia University School of Law.
Morrison said that Thomass actions are once in a decade. When that does happen, the case has to be of an extraordinary nature and this does not fit that circumstance, he said. My guess would be that Thomas accepted the case so it would go before the conference where it will likely be denied. If Thomas denied the petition, then Donofrio would be free to go to the other justices for their consideration.
This way, I would guess, the matter would be done with. Petitions of Donofrios types are hardly ever granted.
Traditionally, justices do not respond to media queries, according to a spokesman from the Supreme Court Public Information Office.
Thomas was appointed to the Supreme Court by President George H.W. Bush in 1991 and has been one of its most conservative members.
Before his ascension to the court, he was appointed by Bush to the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia. Earlier, he served as chairman of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission - appointed by President Reagan - and worked various jobs under former Republican Sen. John Danforth.
It would take a simple majority of five justices to put Donofrios emergency stay on the oral argument docket. Because it is an emergency by design, the argument would take place within days.
Donofrio wants the court to order the Electoral College to postpone its Dec. 15 proceedings until it rules on the Obama citizenship. He is using the 2000 case Bush vs. Gore case as precedent, arguing that it is of such compelling national interest that it should be given priority over other cases on the courts docket.
The same conditions apply here, Donofrio said in his letter to the court, as the clock is ticking down to Dec. 15, the day for the Electoral College to meet.
Audrey Singer, a senior fellow at Washingtons Brookings Institution, who is an expert on immigration, said that the Donofrio matter is going nowhere.
There is no way that anyone can argue about whether Barack Obama is a citizen, Singer said. In this country, we have a system known as jus soli or birthright by citizenship. You are a citizen by being born on American soil and he (Obama) was born in Hawaii.
Singer said that Donofrios argument that Obamas father was a Kenyan national does not matter because citizenship is not based on parentage, but on where someone was born.
This is the issue that some people have with illegal aliens in our country, she said. Children of illegal aliens, if they are born in the United States, are U.S. citizens. That is in the U.S. Constitution.
Post #58 brought tears to my eyes. Thanks.
My scenario.
Obama gets himself elected (done) then we find that he’s ineligible to hold office. The clowns in DC don’t want to rock the boat and manage to let the issue slide.
In a few years a known foreign born presidential wannabe shows up at the supreme court demanding his/her “right” to run and cites the illegitimate Obama presidency as precedent with no harm done. By then the court will have shifted to the left and they will rule that the constitution is outdated or some similar crap. It will be someone from a “harmless” nation like Canada that people can more easily accept.
We end up with Jenny Granholm running in the 2016 election. You might notice that she sure seems to be in the process of being groomed for the job.
by 2020 we have a presidential free for all with every Achmed, Hans, and Vladimir running for president of the USA. By that time we’ll probably be allowing citizens in some other nations vote in our elections anyway.
For me - a definition of natural born would be a good thing, but yes, the birth certificate verification should be required of any candidate for POTUS. I’m bothered by the lack of a process for this verification that protects the interests of the people and the rule of law - our Constitution.
That's the kind of mantra that lefties are prone to use to obfuscate the Constitutional issue in the Obama matter.
We do have different classes of citizens only in so far as it relates to qualifications for the presidency (or vice presidency). To be president, you need not only be a citizen, but a "natural born citizen."
However, there is debate within the legal community and within the public in general as to what exactly "natural born citizen" means. Most would consider your children under the circumstances you described as "natural born citizens," constitutionally eligible to be president once they meet the other requirements. But while Philip Berg and some of the other plaintiffs in these suits would probably agree with that, Leo Donofrio might not.
Please note that our Framers had just liberated themselves from British Common Law. Why on Earth would they go ahead and adopt Common Law rule here?
If you are interested in why we don’t follow common law please take a few minutes to read this:
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
Scroll down to: LEO DONOFRIO COMMENTS ON JUDAH BENJAMIN ARTICLE CONCERNING NATURAL BORN CITIZEN AND THE COMMON LAW
It’s a simple explanation.
I and Hussein are NOT "natural" born, which requires that the two (2) parents, (father and mother) both are U.S. citizen. Hussein's father was a British subject in 1961!
Hussein's mother was not old enough (18,) she needed to be 19 to give him citizenship, nevertheless Obama Sr's British citizenship is the crux that Hussein cannot overcome according to the Constitution!!
Therefore we are both only "naturalized" and not enough to qualify!!!
As you know, Obama has never shown any bona fide documentation that he was born on US soil.
This really does leave him open to blackmail. I have read suppositions that Hillary has the goods on him and this is why she is in, along with all her old buddies.
Interesting times.
I trust that you merely made that flagrantly false statement sarcastically to support your argument.
The problem is that people elected to office are NOT subject to such screening...
Yep.
Listen friend. If you honestly want to know the answer to your questions as badly as you're pretending, then you'd find the answers yourself, or consult someone other than an ordinary citizen expressing his personal views on a website.
I admitted to you three posts back that I may have spoken in error, but you continue to try to back me into a corner over this legal question.
You know I'm not a legal scholar, and it's quite possible that you aren't either, so what's your real intention here?
I have my opinion, however it was formed. I'm not a walking encyclopedia of legal facts, and don't have every reference I've read to hand, nor have I committed their locations to memory. I've read what I've read, and am speaking as frankly and truthfully as I can, with what I've digested.
If I were a betting man, I wouldn't take the bet either way at this point, but I would be rubbing my lucky rabbit's foot and praying that they do the right thing.
Ping to #490.
Some here have said that the US determines citizenship for its inhabitants irrespective of the citizenship determinations of other countries. In other words, if you qualify under US law as being a US citizen, it doesn't affect your legal citizenship in this country if some other government grants you citizenship as well.
It's tough, I know. We're all getting an education here, including me.
I'm impressed! Most Italians I know can't type or speak until they're several years old. Besides candidates also have to be over 35 years old. ;^)
Good on Justice Thomas. I know some people don’t like him because he doesn’t look like all the other Justices...
Good one,how appropriate!
Here’s a scenario for those of you who are afraid to rock the boat
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Wow!! Scary thought. Very sobering but also very realistic. We are hated by many.
Have you seen the comments posted here from Justice Scalia, regarding the common law vs constitutional law?
He is quoted as saying that “the common law is dead”, and that our country has not followed the common law for a very long time, and in fact, has hardly ever done so (paraphrasing).
He made these comments very recently, so they are timely, considering the issue that’s coming before them.
From a citizen’s point of view, I think it would be tragic, and even dangerous for the high court to not do their very utmost to settle this obviously confusing question. Quite a lot is riding on it, and I’m certain that they are keenly aware of the grave implications involved here.
I hope for an outcome that best serves our national security and our posterity.
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