It's ASTRO TURF BOY again !!!
Posted on 12/03/2008 7:54:45 AM PST by ckilmer
There are apparently still people who don't believe President-elect Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and hold therefore that he's ineligible to be president. And they are willing to spend time and money to make their case.
An anti-tax activist from upstate New York who is questioning whether President-elect Barack Obama is a "natural born citizen" eligible for the nation's top job said Tuesday that his non-profit group spent "tens of thousands of dollars" to get his message across in ads in the Chicago Tribune this week.
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Nope. The amendment would have to state whether it applied immediately or not, and that would take priority over any other law or Constitutional provision - even the one applying to ex post facto laws. The only limitations on amendments were that a state could not have its two seats in the Senate reduced without its consent and that slave trade and direct taxation couldn't be changed before 1808.
It's ASTRO TURF BOY again !!!
Was that seen on a better scan? I saw that on the original overcompressed JPEG image, and that is very typical of what JPEG compression does when a solid color (like text) bumps up against a color picture (like the certificate background). JPEG sucks at handling lineart causing all sorts of two dimensional "ringing" from the removal of high-frequency information in the image.
The Constitution contains provisions for its own amendment, and these provisions are by necessity popularity-dependent. If enough people want to amend it, then it’s perfectly Constitutional to amend it. I really don’t think the people pushing this issue have really thought through what would really happen if they “won”. They seem to be imagining that President-elect Obama would be promptly turned out of office, and somehow replaced with a President they like better. How exactly is this supposed to come about? The realistic fall-out would be widespread riots, further crashing of the financial and credit markets, and a fast-tracked Constitutional amendment making him — and all future Presidential candidates with similar birth circumstances — eligible.
There were no serious attempts to address this before the election, by any person or organization with the necessary expertise and credibility. Such people and organizations do exist, and I think they must have had very good reasons for not pursuing it — either that they believe/know he was in fact born in Hawaii, or that the fallout from showing he wasn’t would have been much worse than having him as President (i.e. Hillary Clinton as President, combined with violence-supporting radicalization of many black Americans).
What in the hell are you talking about?
What is interesting is how the MSM is covering this issue in a deft side-step method while slowly projecting us as amoonbats, loonies and dubious activists.
Now if SCOTUS dismisses our cases on Friday, guess what: this will confirm to MSM and to “our fellow americans”.
I understand that we have to hyphe and gain momentum but it sure does look to me like the set-up before a crash.
I had hopes so high on API and Michelle tape and we all know that it was a set-up to divert us from real issues.
They don’t need to. Any court with authority to declare President-elect Obama ineligible (either ultimately, i.e. SCOTUS, or pending appeal, i.e. a lower federal court) would simultaneously stay implementation of the ruling until SCOTUS ruled on a proposal for how to proceed with electing a new President. Getting such a proposal drafted and approved would take longer than getting a Consitutional amendment passed, and in all likelihood the proposal would contain a delay feature to allow for a fast-tracked Constitutional amendment process to be carried out first, with the procedure for selecting a new President only to be used if the amendment failed.
The only possibility involving even temporary removal of President-elect Obama would be to place Biden in the office of President on a temporary basis, until the Consitutional amendment process (which Biden would fully support) was carried out. Biden would take orders from Obama during this period, and the only difference from having Obama in office would be extreme political instability, crashing financial markets, and gleeful Islamic terrorists taking full advantage of the chaos.
Errr, last I heard the Constitution IS our rule of law, and it has provisions for amendment, and any amendments made per those provisions become part of our Constitutional rule of law.
This is such a waste of time. You all need to take your meds. Never going to happen.
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we’ll know soon enough.
Judge Thomas accepted suit for consideration on Friday. imho he knows exactly what this is about and why it matters.
I don’t think anyone on this board understands the significance of Justice Thomas bringing the matter to the attention of the SCOTUS.
We’re talking honor.
We’re talking honor in a very big way.
Pay back in fact of the very deepest kind.
If it happens it will mean that there will be a time when a black guy will be president. Just not obama. Change will be orderly.
If it doesn’t happen then really a lot of stuff doesn’t matter anymore. We are deluded. The rot in the civilization in general and the US in particular is moving even faster than we know. Change will be disorderly.
bttt
I don’t see a financial collape and widespread riots. The black population is ALREADY disproportionately radicalized. I think there would be a smooth transition actually. And a sigh of relief all around from some of the idiots who voted for this clown in the first place.
Our nation’s founding fathers faced hanging for a chance to create our constitution. I think we can handle a little ridicule at the hands of cowards to defend it.
All Obama has to do is divulge his birth certificate. It sems obvious to me why he does not.Obvious and obviouser.
No it won’t.
Do you have any idea how difficult the Founding Fathers in their wisdom made the mechanism of amending the Constitution?
Constitutional amendments cannot be "fast-tracked," given that they require ratification by three-quarters of the state legislatures, in addition to a two thirds vote by the House of Representatives.
So that would mean that we would not have a lawful president in office during that process, which even under the best of circumstances, would have to be pretty lengthy.
Tragically, if it turns out that OBama is not Constitutionally eligible (I'm still open on this point), the media and the Democrats will blame the Constitution and the "racist" Supreme Court, instead of blaming Obama for a despicable lack of character in deliberately lying to the American people to mount a fraudulent run for office and plunging the nation into an unprecedented constitutional crisis.
Obama won the popular vote by 53%. That's hardly a landslide.
[...] a SCOTUS ruling that he is ineligible to be President would be quickly followed by a Constitutional amendment changing the eligibility requirements so that he becomes eligible. The votes are there, and the process would be fast-tracked — I’d vote for it, simply to avoid the dangerous destabilization of the US that could literally lead to the demise of the nation.
Reality check: you don't vote for a Constitutional amendment.
It's a multi-step process, which can initially take two tracks:
And it certainly won't happen in a short period of time. Many state legislatures aren't even in session.
I agree that this should have been pursued before the election. And it was... but the courts ignored the issue. So now we have a potential crisis, but it's not the fault of the people pursuing it.
If this is ignored, then so can any other part of the Constitution—for example, the 22nd Amendment...
There is a 5th U.S. Supreme Court case challenging Obama’s lack of U.S. citizenship. The most recent one coming from Texas.
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244
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